Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

jim beam wrote:

>
> for ordinary iron, oxidation is strongly exothermic, yes. but ordinary
> iron is no good at corrosion or heat resistance, so what are valves made
> of, dipshit?

The reaction of the iron in exhaust valves with oxygen is every bit as
exothermic as the iron in mild steel. The alloys used in valves are
designed so that type of reaction normally can't happen, but your valve
is evidence that it does happen. Your valve can be easily cut with a
torch. Ask a welder to show you how.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 1/23/10 8:57 AM, in article uh3ml5tl90f3auv2t3nklcjh2pjrvjppov@4ax.com,
"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:36:03 -0600, "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/21/10 12:31 AM, in article 2vS5n.2479$CM7.1688@newsfe04.iad, "Greg"
>> <nospam@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A CR-V will not require anything super dooper. When buying, look for an
>>> "Oil Change Special" (oil + filter) at the local parts store and call it
>>> good!
>>>
>>
>> A US Market CR-V requires 5W20 weight oil per the mfr. You're not likely to
>> find that at any "oil change special" unless its the Honda dealer. If you
>> run anything else in it, they could invalidate the warranty if there are any
>> oil related engine problems.
>
>
> Pardon me for asking a dumb question but does Mobil1 come in different
> viscosities like 5W20, etc... ?

Mobil 1 does come in 5W20. That's what I run in my CRV. For a long time
that was the only choice for that weight. Its starting to appear in other
brands now also.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/23/2010 10:35 AM, jim wrote:
>
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>
>> for ordinary iron, oxidation is strongly exothermic, yes. but ordinary
>> iron is no good at corrosion or heat resistance, so what are valves made
>> of, dipshit?
>
> The reaction of the iron in exhaust valves

/what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.


> with oxygen is every bit as
> exothermic as the iron in mild steel.

what is the ignition temperature of Fe vs. Ni, Co, Cr, etc.? how are
you going to get your exothermic reaction sustained if you can't
actually /start/ it?

and what is going to happen if you start this reaction and keep
supplying oxygen to it? how much valve do you think you're going to
have left at the end?


> The alloys used in valves are
> designed so that type of reaction normally can't happen,

that is indeed true!!! and, of course, it directly contradicts your
drivel above.


> but your valve
> is evidence that it does happen.

gas erosion != oxidation!


> Your valve can be easily cut with a
> torch. Ask a welder to show you how.

no, /you/ need to see it. or rather, /not/ see it. you're simply
guessing and hoping i don't know any better. you should actually try
this stuff yourself if you don't want to get it wrong and make yourself
look like such a horse's ass.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 2010-01-23, E. Meyer <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/21/10 12:31 AM, in article 2vS5n.2479$CM7.1688@newsfe04.iad, "Greg"
><nospam@null.net> wrote:
>
>> A CR-V will not require anything super dooper. When buying, look for an
>> "Oil Change Special" (oil + filter) at the local parts store and call it
>> good!
>>
>
> A US Market CR-V requires 5W20 weight oil per the mfr. You're not likely to
> find that at any "oil change special" unless its the Honda dealer. If you
> run anything else in it, they could invalidate the warranty if there are any
> oil related engine problems.
>

The Oil Change specials at every place I have been to cover 5w20.

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Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

jim beam wrote:

>
> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.


I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
constituent of your valve is still iron.


>
> > with oxygen is every bit as
> > exothermic as the iron in mild steel.
>
> what is the ignition temperature of Fe vs. Ni, Co, Cr, etc.? how are
> you going to get your exothermic reaction sustained if you can't
> actually /start/ it?
>

Well you don't need to ignite the protective layer which is mostly
composed of Cr. All you need to do is change it so that the air can get
to the iron.

> and what is going to happen if you start this reaction and keep
> supplying oxygen to it? how much valve do you think you're going to
> have left at the end?

Yes if there is more air it will eat a lot farther. I've seen that.

>
> > The alloys used in valves are
> > designed so that type of reaction normally can't happen,
>
> that is indeed true!!! and, of course, it directly contradicts your
> drivel above.

that only means there is evidence that an abnormal condition where it
can happen was met.


>
> > but your valve
> > is evidence that it does happen.
>
> gas erosion != oxidation!

The metal was molten and it got quite a bit hotter than any of the
gasses present. You may be able to find some slag. A slow erosion of
the valve would look different. Another way a valve can lose a lot a
metal is if chunk breaks off. But that also is going to look obviously
different.

>
> > Your valve can be easily cut with a
> > torch. Ask a welder to show you how.
>
> no, /you/ need to see it. or rather, /not/ see it. you're simply
> guessing and hoping i don't know any better.

Guessing? at what?


> you should actually try
> this stuff yourself if you don't want to get it wrong and make yourself
> look like such a horse's ass.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>
>> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>
>
> I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
> are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
> constituent of your valve is still iron.

"you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
still iron"

translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
them". way to go dude.


>
>
>>
>>> with oxygen is every bit as
>>> exothermic as the iron in mild steel.
>>
>> what is the ignition temperature of Fe vs. Ni, Co, Cr, etc.? how are
>> you going to get your exothermic reaction sustained if you can't
>> actually /start/ it?
>>
>
> Well you don't need to ignite the protective layer which is mostly
> composed of Cr. All you need to do is change it so that the air can get
> to the iron.

/what/ ing iron, dipshit?


>
>> and what is going to happen if you start this reaction and keep
>> supplying oxygen to it? how much valve do you think you're going to
>> have left at the end?
>
> Yes if there is more air it will eat a lot farther. I've seen that.

no, you've seen the result of a valve that's been eroded for longer, not
one that has exothermally ignited.


>
>>
>>> The alloys used in valves are
>>> designed so that type of reaction normally can't happen,
>>
>> that is indeed true!!! and, of course, it directly contradicts your
>> drivel above.
>
> that only means there is evidence that an abnormal condition where it
> can happen was met.

yeah, so "abnormal", it contradicts all your other bullshit!


>
>
>>
>>> but your valve
>>> is evidence that it does happen.
>>
>> gas erosion != oxidation!
>
> The metal was molten and it got quite a bit hotter than any of the
> gasses present.

bullshit!!! when you change state, you hit an isothermal. and you're
in a jet stream. how the are you going to heat any metal beyond
liquidus when it's getting blown away? and let's simply ignore the fact
that we're looking at more refractory metals here.

[i /know/ you don't know what "refractory" means:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractory_metals]


> You may be able to find some slag.

do you even know what "slag" is? [rhetorical]


> A slow erosion of
> the valve would look different.

"would" look different? so you're just guessing!

of course, if you were experienced, knew what you were talking about and
had evidence, you'd take pics of the ones you have that are different,
and post them. free pic hosting at flickr, picasa, tinypic, etc..


> Another way a valve can lose a lot a
> metal is if chunk breaks off. But that also is going to look obviously
> different.

how big is "a chunk"? 1 micron? 10? 1000? "just enough so that gas
erosion can take hold"?


>
>>
>>> Your valve can be easily cut with a
>>> torch. Ask a welder to show you how.
>>
>> no, /you/ need to see it. or rather, /not/ see it. you're simply
>> guessing and hoping i don't know any better.
>
> Guessing? at what?

"cut with a torch" is just guessing, and guessing wrong. valves are not
soft iron, they are refractory alloys. you can't just cut them like you
do soft iron. you'd know this if you were actually speaking from
experience or had even bothered to read the cites i keep giving you and
were not simply guessing. idiot.


>
>
>> you should actually try
>> this stuff yourself if you don't want to get it wrong and make yourself
>> look like such a horse's ass.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On 1/23/10 5:22 PM, in article slrnhln16g.rgl.joe@barada.griffincs.local,
"Joe" <joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com> wrote:

> On 2010-01-23, E. Meyer <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 1/21/10 12:31 AM, in article 2vS5n.2479$CM7.1688@newsfe04.iad, "Greg"
>> <nospam@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A CR-V will not require anything super dooper. When buying, look for an
>>> "Oil Change Special" (oil + filter) at the local parts store and call it
>>> good!
>>>
>>
>> A US Market CR-V requires 5W20 weight oil per the mfr. You're not likely to
>> find that at any "oil change special" unless its the Honda dealer. If you
>> run anything else in it, they could invalidate the warranty if there are any
>> oil related engine problems.
>>
>
> The Oil Change specials at every place I have been to cover 5w20.

OK & that is the point - make sure the "special" actually covers what your
car requires.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:52:26 -0600, "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net>
wrote:

>
>
>
>On 1/23/10 8:57 AM, in article uh3ml5tl90f3auv2t3nklcjh2pjrvjppov@4ax.com,
>"Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:36:03 -0600, "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/21/10 12:31 AM, in article 2vS5n.2479$CM7.1688@newsfe04.iad, "Greg"
>>> <nospam@null.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A CR-V will not require anything super dooper. When buying, look for an
>>>> "Oil Change Special" (oil + filter) at the local parts store and call it
>>>> good!
>>>>
>>>
>>> A US Market CR-V requires 5W20 weight oil per the mfr. You're not likely to
>>> find that at any "oil change special" unless its the Honda dealer. If you
>>> run anything else in it, they could invalidate the warranty if there are any
>>> oil related engine problems.
>>
>>
>> Pardon me for asking a dumb question but does Mobil1 come in different
>> viscosities like 5W20, etc... ?
>
>Mobil 1 does come in 5W20. That's what I run in my CRV. For a long time
>that was the only choice for that weight. Its starting to appear in other
>brands now also.


Sounds good. Thanks.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

jim beam wrote:
>
> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
> >
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
> >> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
> >
> >
> > I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
> > are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
> > constituent of your valve is still iron.
>
> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
> still iron"
>
> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
> them". way to go dude.
>

I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
types of steels used in valves.

Can't you read the first sentence:

"Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
following:"

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

>>>> A CR-V will not require anything super dooper. When buying, look for an
>>>> "Oil Change Special" (oil + filter) at the local parts store and call it
>>>> good!
>>>>
>>> A US Market CR-V requires 5W20 weight oil per the mfr. You're not likely to
>>> find that at any "oil change special" unless its the Honda dealer. If you
>>> run anything else in it, they could invalidate the warranty if there are any
>>> oil related engine problems.
>>>
>> The Oil Change specials at every place I have been to cover 5w20.
>
> OK & that is the point - make sure the "special" actually covers what your
> car requires.

Yea.... Buying the appropriate viscosity oil was sorta implied! :)

I had places like Auto Zone and Kragen in mind; not the guy on the
corner, selling who-knows-what out the back of his pickup!

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:11:56 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 01/23/2010 06:57 AM, Guy wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:36:03 -0600, "E. Meyer"<e.p.meyer@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/21/10 12:31 AM, in article 2vS5n.2479$CM7.1688@newsfe04.iad, "Greg"
>>> <nospam@null.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A CR-V will not require anything super dooper. When buying, look for an
>>>> "Oil Change Special" (oil + filter) at the local parts store and call it
>>>> good!
>>>>
>>>
>>> A US Market CR-V requires 5W20 weight oil per the mfr. You're not likely to
>>> find that at any "oil change special" unless its the Honda dealer. If you
>>> run anything else in it, they could invalidate the warranty if there are any
>>> oil related engine problems.
>>
>>
>> Pardon me for asking a dumb question but does Mobil1 come in different
>> viscosities like 5W20, etc... ?
>
>how about this for a dumb:
>
>"is your browser broken? can't you get mobil1.com"?
>
>ridiculous attention-seeking.


Boy it must be great being you. Just be sure to take your meds.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
wrote:

>
>
>jim beam wrote:
>>
>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > jim beam wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>> >> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>> >
>> >
>> > I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>> > are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>> > constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>
>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>> still iron"
>>
>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>> them". way to go dude.
>>
>
>I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
>types of steels used in valves.
>
>Can't you read the first sentence:
>
>"Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
>following:"


Jim, you're just too nice dealing with that dipshit (to use his own
words). You know I don't recall with all his name calling, you ever
called him back a name. You"re one helluva polite guy <g> !!!!

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:57:18 -0600, "Guy" <void@void.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > jim beam wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>>> >> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>>> > are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>>> > constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>>
>>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>>> still iron"
>>>
>>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>>> them". way to go dude.
>>>
>>
>>I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
>>types of steels used in valves.
>>
>>Can't you read the first sentence:
>>
>>"Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
>>following:"
>
>
>Jim, you're just too nice dealing with that dipshit (to use his own
>words). You know I don't recall with all his name calling, you ever
>called him back a name. You"re one helluva polite guy <g> !!!!


My bad wrong Jim... Jim Beam you are the dipshit.

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
wrote:

>
>
>jim beam wrote:
>>
>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > jim beam wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>> >> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>> >
>> >
>> > I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>> > are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>> > constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>
>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>> still iron"
>>
>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>> them". way to go dude.
>>
>
>I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
>types of steels used in valves.
>
>Can't you read the first sentence:
>
>"Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
>following:"


Now to try to correct my earlier mistake of posting this to the wrong
Jim.........

Jim, you're just too nice dealing with that dipshit (to use his own
words). You know I don't recall with all his name calling, you ever
called him back a name. You"re one helluva polite guy <g> !!!!

Re: new Honda CR-V break in
 

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
wrote:

>
>
>jim beam wrote:
>>
>> On 01/23/2010 04:54 PM, jim wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > jim beam wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> /what/ iron in exhaust valves? you evidently didn't bother to read the
>> >> exhaust valve alloy cite i gave you. you still carefully snipped it though.
>> >
>> >
>> > I didn't see anything on that web page that would suggest your valves
>> > are not mostly made of iron. you can google all you want, but the main
>> > constituent of your valve is still iron.
>>
>> "you can google all you want, but the main constituent of your valve is
>> still iron"
>>
>> translation: "you don't agree with facts, so you're just going to ignore
>> them". way to go dude.
>>
>
>I didn't ignore anything. The page contained a listing of different
>types of steels used in valves.
>
>Can't you read the first sentence:
>
>"Valve Steels - Various steels are available, these include the
>following:"




Either I'm sleepy or my newsreader is messing up so I'll give this one
more try to post to the correct person.....

Jim, you're just too nice dealing with that dipshit (to use his own
words). You know I don't recall with all his name calling, you ever
called him back a name. You"re one helluva polite guy <g> !!!!