Saab Complaint
#16
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Re: Saab Complaint
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:42:09 GMT, milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net>
wrote:
>
>Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
I had a blowout on my pirelli on my 2002 9-3 hatch about a month after
I got it. I had it replaced. A few months ago (about 9 months later)
the replacement Pirelli developed a bump and a split.
All other 3 tires work fine. I think it may be aligned poorly,
putting too much pressure on that tire.
I'll have them take a look.
Stay safe.
wrote:
>
>Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
I had a blowout on my pirelli on my 2002 9-3 hatch about a month after
I got it. I had it replaced. A few months ago (about 9 months later)
the replacement Pirelli developed a bump and a split.
All other 3 tires work fine. I think it may be aligned poorly,
putting too much pressure on that tire.
I'll have them take a look.
Stay safe.
#17
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Re: Saab Complaint
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:42:09 GMT, milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net>
wrote:
>
>Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
I had a blowout on my pirelli on my 2002 9-3 hatch about a month after
I got it. I had it replaced. A few months ago (about 9 months later)
the replacement Pirelli developed a bump and a split.
All other 3 tires work fine. I think it may be aligned poorly,
putting too much pressure on that tire.
I'll have them take a look.
Stay safe.
wrote:
>
>Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
I had a blowout on my pirelli on my 2002 9-3 hatch about a month after
I got it. I had it replaced. A few months ago (about 9 months later)
the replacement Pirelli developed a bump and a split.
All other 3 tires work fine. I think it may be aligned poorly,
putting too much pressure on that tire.
I'll have them take a look.
Stay safe.
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Re: Saab Complaint
In article <vli4uf6if2us88@news.supernews.com>,
"pablo" <pabloNOSPAMsimplyhombreDOTnet> wrote:
> Why would Onstar go off automatically after a tire fault?
I'm not sure he was saying that. I understood him to be saying simply
that OnStar didn't work--which means he couldn't get help, nothing more.
I don't think he said anything about he thought it was supposed to
automatically phone home with a blowout.
"pablo" <pabloNOSPAMsimplyhombreDOTnet> wrote:
> Why would Onstar go off automatically after a tire fault?
I'm not sure he was saying that. I understood him to be saying simply
that OnStar didn't work--which means he couldn't get help, nothing more.
I don't think he said anything about he thought it was supposed to
automatically phone home with a blowout.
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Re: Saab Complaint
In article <vli4uf6if2us88@news.supernews.com>,
"pablo" <pabloNOSPAMsimplyhombreDOTnet> wrote:
> Why would Onstar go off automatically after a tire fault?
I'm not sure he was saying that. I understood him to be saying simply
that OnStar didn't work--which means he couldn't get help, nothing more.
I don't think he said anything about he thought it was supposed to
automatically phone home with a blowout.
"pablo" <pabloNOSPAMsimplyhombreDOTnet> wrote:
> Why would Onstar go off automatically after a tire fault?
I'm not sure he was saying that. I understood him to be saying simply
that OnStar didn't work--which means he couldn't get help, nothing more.
I don't think he said anything about he thought it was supposed to
automatically phone home with a blowout.
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Re: Saab Complaint
Looks like YOU didn't do your homework. It's just like buying a Lincoln
Navigator instead of a Ford Explorer. (or is it an Expedition?) Same truck
different badge. One just costs a WHOLE lot more.
John
Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
Navigator instead of a Ford Explorer. (or is it an Expedition?) Same truck
different badge. One just costs a WHOLE lot more.
John
Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
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Re: Saab Complaint
Looks like YOU didn't do your homework. It's just like buying a Lincoln
Navigator instead of a Ford Explorer. (or is it an Expedition?) Same truck
different badge. One just costs a WHOLE lot more.
John
Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
Navigator instead of a Ford Explorer. (or is it an Expedition?) Same truck
different badge. One just costs a WHOLE lot more.
John
Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
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Re: Saab Complaint
milt brewster wrote:
> Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
>
> SECOND catastrophic freeway blowout in six months. Both quick
> and dangerous.
>
> NEW Michelin tires have/had 11,000 miles on them. The first
> blowout occurred at only 5500 miles. The Dealer has refused to
> deal with the issue.
Find a new dealer - either it is a bad dealer or your attitude has
poisoned the relationship. At the new dealer, try to be calm, don't
exaggerate and be patient - have a two way conversation, not a screaming
match. Judging from the words you chose in this posting, this may be
difficult.
>
> OnStar failed to work.
>
> I had to literally risk my life changing my tire on the freeway.
>
> I lost an important client because of this.
>
> Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> So would you.
>
>
> milton brewster
>
>
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Re: Saab Complaint
milt brewster wrote:
> Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
>
> SECOND catastrophic freeway blowout in six months. Both quick
> and dangerous.
>
> NEW Michelin tires have/had 11,000 miles on them. The first
> blowout occurred at only 5500 miles. The Dealer has refused to
> deal with the issue.
Find a new dealer - either it is a bad dealer or your attitude has
poisoned the relationship. At the new dealer, try to be calm, don't
exaggerate and be patient - have a two way conversation, not a screaming
match. Judging from the words you chose in this posting, this may be
difficult.
>
> OnStar failed to work.
>
> I had to literally risk my life changing my tire on the freeway.
>
> I lost an important client because of this.
>
> Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> So would you.
>
>
> milton brewster
>
>
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Re: Saab Complaint
In article <MPG.19c2951e57a2b84989db2@news.sonic.net>, milt brewster
<milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
> Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
>
> SECOND catastrophic freeway blowout in six months. Both quick
> and dangerous.
>
> NEW Michelin tires have/had 11,000 miles on them. The first
> blowout occurred at only 5500 miles. The Dealer has refused to
> deal with the issue.
>
> OnStar failed to work.
>
> I had to literally risk my life changing my tire on the freeway.
>
> I lost an important client because of this.
>
> Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> So would you.
>
>
> milton brewster
>
Stop it! Stop it! Please stop it. No more Saab stories, Please.
Tom
<milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
> Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
>
> SECOND catastrophic freeway blowout in six months. Both quick
> and dangerous.
>
> NEW Michelin tires have/had 11,000 miles on them. The first
> blowout occurred at only 5500 miles. The Dealer has refused to
> deal with the issue.
>
> OnStar failed to work.
>
> I had to literally risk my life changing my tire on the freeway.
>
> I lost an important client because of this.
>
> Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> So would you.
>
>
> milton brewster
>
Stop it! Stop it! Please stop it. No more Saab stories, Please.
Tom
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Re: Saab Complaint
In article <MPG.19c2951e57a2b84989db2@news.sonic.net>, milt brewster
<milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
> Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
>
> SECOND catastrophic freeway blowout in six months. Both quick
> and dangerous.
>
> NEW Michelin tires have/had 11,000 miles on them. The first
> blowout occurred at only 5500 miles. The Dealer has refused to
> deal with the issue.
>
> OnStar failed to work.
>
> I had to literally risk my life changing my tire on the freeway.
>
> I lost an important client because of this.
>
> Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> So would you.
>
>
> milton brewster
>
Stop it! Stop it! Please stop it. No more Saab stories, Please.
Tom
<milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
> Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
>
> SECOND catastrophic freeway blowout in six months. Both quick
> and dangerous.
>
> NEW Michelin tires have/had 11,000 miles on them. The first
> blowout occurred at only 5500 miles. The Dealer has refused to
> deal with the issue.
>
> OnStar failed to work.
>
> I had to literally risk my life changing my tire on the freeway.
>
> I lost an important client because of this.
>
> Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> next.
>
> ***
>
> All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> problems like this.
>
> Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> So would you.
>
>
> milton brewster
>
Stop it! Stop it! Please stop it. No more Saab stories, Please.
Tom
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Re: Saab Complaint
> Stop it! Stop it! Please stop it. No more Saab stories, Please.
please, please, no more cross posting, please.
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'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
http://go.to/saab96
please, please, no more cross posting, please.
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'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
http://go.to/saab96
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Re: Saab Complaint
> Stop it! Stop it! Please stop it. No more Saab stories, Please.
please, please, no more cross posting, please.
-------------------------------------------
MH
'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
http://go.to/saab96
please, please, no more cross posting, please.
-------------------------------------------
MH
'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
http://go.to/saab96
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Re: Saab Complaint
In article <bjat1j$h21m6$1@ID-134476.news.uni-berlin.de>,
davehinz@spamcop.net says...
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:42:09 GMT, milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
>
> What is your intention here, to start a cross-brand flamewar?
No.
It was my intention to report a serious problem with an expensive
new car that should not have had a serious problem, in a public
forum where other people would read it and think about this
experience before they make THEIR expensive new car purchases.
I expected most of the snippy comments I've seen here. I was a
Saab enthusiast, too; but that doesn't mean Saabs are perfect, or
that the Company that builds them are above doing things that are
worth complaining about.
I still made my point: ANYONE thinking about buying a Saab
should consider whether they want to have TWO blowouts in the
space of five months in their expensive new car.
****
Saab has equipped a lot of their cars in the USA with Michelin
tires that might very well be faulty, as Ford found a few years
ago with their SUVs. If Usenet newsgroups are worth anything at
all, they are worth publicizing potential recall problems like
this.
As for the rest of your post (not snipped) I don't think it's
helpful at all -- except to note that I check my tires very
carefully after my first blowout, did not hit any potholes or
make other foolish mistakes, and that you seem to be as snippy as
you think I am.
Emotional denial is the first refuge of the childish.
mb
>
> > I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> > are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> > right.
>
> Thought you said they were Michelin. Didn't know Saab made tires.
>
> > All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> What was the cause of the blowout? Did you have your pressures
> set properly? Does your car have an alignment problem? Are you
> trying to solve the problem, or just complain about it?
>
> > No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> > this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> > problems like this.
>
> What is the cause of this atypical problem with your particular
> car?
>
> > Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> > Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> OK.
>
> > So would you.
>
> I would? Why would I want to get to your appointment; I'm thinking we
> wouldn't enjoy each other's company very much.
>
> Dave Hinz
>
>
davehinz@spamcop.net says...
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:42:09 GMT, milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
>
> What is your intention here, to start a cross-brand flamewar?
No.
It was my intention to report a serious problem with an expensive
new car that should not have had a serious problem, in a public
forum where other people would read it and think about this
experience before they make THEIR expensive new car purchases.
I expected most of the snippy comments I've seen here. I was a
Saab enthusiast, too; but that doesn't mean Saabs are perfect, or
that the Company that builds them are above doing things that are
worth complaining about.
I still made my point: ANYONE thinking about buying a Saab
should consider whether they want to have TWO blowouts in the
space of five months in their expensive new car.
****
Saab has equipped a lot of their cars in the USA with Michelin
tires that might very well be faulty, as Ford found a few years
ago with their SUVs. If Usenet newsgroups are worth anything at
all, they are worth publicizing potential recall problems like
this.
As for the rest of your post (not snipped) I don't think it's
helpful at all -- except to note that I check my tires very
carefully after my first blowout, did not hit any potholes or
make other foolish mistakes, and that you seem to be as snippy as
you think I am.
Emotional denial is the first refuge of the childish.
mb
>
> > I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> > are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> > right.
>
> Thought you said they were Michelin. Didn't know Saab made tires.
>
> > All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> What was the cause of the blowout? Did you have your pressures
> set properly? Does your car have an alignment problem? Are you
> trying to solve the problem, or just complain about it?
>
> > No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> > this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> > problems like this.
>
> What is the cause of this atypical problem with your particular
> car?
>
> > Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> > Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> OK.
>
> > So would you.
>
> I would? Why would I want to get to your appointment; I'm thinking we
> wouldn't enjoy each other's company very much.
>
> Dave Hinz
>
>
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Re: Saab Complaint
In article <bjat1j$h21m6$1@ID-134476.news.uni-berlin.de>,
davehinz@spamcop.net says...
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:42:09 GMT, milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
>
> What is your intention here, to start a cross-brand flamewar?
No.
It was my intention to report a serious problem with an expensive
new car that should not have had a serious problem, in a public
forum where other people would read it and think about this
experience before they make THEIR expensive new car purchases.
I expected most of the snippy comments I've seen here. I was a
Saab enthusiast, too; but that doesn't mean Saabs are perfect, or
that the Company that builds them are above doing things that are
worth complaining about.
I still made my point: ANYONE thinking about buying a Saab
should consider whether they want to have TWO blowouts in the
space of five months in their expensive new car.
****
Saab has equipped a lot of their cars in the USA with Michelin
tires that might very well be faulty, as Ford found a few years
ago with their SUVs. If Usenet newsgroups are worth anything at
all, they are worth publicizing potential recall problems like
this.
As for the rest of your post (not snipped) I don't think it's
helpful at all -- except to note that I check my tires very
carefully after my first blowout, did not hit any potholes or
make other foolish mistakes, and that you seem to be as snippy as
you think I am.
Emotional denial is the first refuge of the childish.
mb
>
> > I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> > are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> > right.
>
> Thought you said they were Michelin. Didn't know Saab made tires.
>
> > All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> What was the cause of the blowout? Did you have your pressures
> set properly? Does your car have an alignment problem? Are you
> trying to solve the problem, or just complain about it?
>
> > No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> > this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> > problems like this.
>
> What is the cause of this atypical problem with your particular
> car?
>
> > Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> > Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> OK.
>
> > So would you.
>
> I would? Why would I want to get to your appointment; I'm thinking we
> wouldn't enjoy each other's company very much.
>
> Dave Hinz
>
>
davehinz@spamcop.net says...
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:42:09 GMT, milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
>
> What is your intention here, to start a cross-brand flamewar?
No.
It was my intention to report a serious problem with an expensive
new car that should not have had a serious problem, in a public
forum where other people would read it and think about this
experience before they make THEIR expensive new car purchases.
I expected most of the snippy comments I've seen here. I was a
Saab enthusiast, too; but that doesn't mean Saabs are perfect, or
that the Company that builds them are above doing things that are
worth complaining about.
I still made my point: ANYONE thinking about buying a Saab
should consider whether they want to have TWO blowouts in the
space of five months in their expensive new car.
****
Saab has equipped a lot of their cars in the USA with Michelin
tires that might very well be faulty, as Ford found a few years
ago with their SUVs. If Usenet newsgroups are worth anything at
all, they are worth publicizing potential recall problems like
this.
As for the rest of your post (not snipped) I don't think it's
helpful at all -- except to note that I check my tires very
carefully after my first blowout, did not hit any potholes or
make other foolish mistakes, and that you seem to be as snippy as
you think I am.
Emotional denial is the first refuge of the childish.
mb
>
> > I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> > are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> > right.
>
> Thought you said they were Michelin. Didn't know Saab made tires.
>
> > All this is not just expensive or unacceptable. It is criminal.
>
> What was the cause of the blowout? Did you have your pressures
> set properly? Does your car have an alignment problem? Are you
> trying to solve the problem, or just complain about it?
>
> > No car, no matter how intelligently designed and built, is worth
> > this. I paid extra for a Saab, precisely so I would not face
> > problems like this.
>
> What is the cause of this atypical problem with your particular
> car?
>
> > Today I would trade this Saab straight across for a comparable
> > Honda Civic that would have gotten me to my appointment on time.
>
> OK.
>
> > So would you.
>
> I would? Why would I want to get to your appointment; I'm thinking we
> wouldn't enjoy each other's company very much.
>
> Dave Hinz
>
>
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Re: Saab Complaint
In article <3F58F854.F40BE131@sizefitter.com>,
johs@sizefitter.com says...
>
>
> milt brewster wrote:
> >
> > Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
> >
> > SECOND catastrophic freeway blowout in six months. Both quick
> > and dangerous.
> >
> > NEW Michelin tires have/had 11,000 miles on them. The first
> > blowout occurred at only 5500 miles. The Dealer has refused to
> > deal with the issue.
> >
> > OnStar failed to work.
> >
> > I had to literally risk my life changing my tire on the freeway.
> >
> > I lost an important client because of this.
> >
> > Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> > I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> > are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> > right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> > noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> > next.
>
> But what has all this to do with Saab? Michelin is a top brand tire.
> A blow out is a rare but possible risk, possibly caused by prior
> damage to the tire. Onstar is a communication system that has little
> to do with the car and is only fitted in some markets.
>
Johannes, I appreciate your posts in this group over the months.
In the United States, Ford Motor Company is in a world of hurt
right now, because they 1) sold SUVs with bad tires a few years
ago, and then 2) refused to make it right. Their sales have not
recovered three years later, and Ford is losing court cases by
the bunch to very angry customers who can easily establish that
Ford knew about the problem.
While Michelin makes the tires, Saab 1) made the decision to
equip their cars with Michelins, and 2) decided to not make it
"right" with me. I suggest further, that 3) Saab knows that these
Michelins are a safety hazard and doesn't want to admit it; just
like Ford did.
From my calling around yesterday, it looks like Saab has
apparently to stiff-arm other Saab owners with tire problems as
well. This is a safety issue and it is not OK.
Michelin blowouts on new cars are apparently not rare, at least
in California. Three of five independent tire dealers volunteered
to me that their new car customers are losing between five and
ten in a hundred to blowouts over the last few years.
American Courts (not to mention the American auto marketplace)
have determined that in the United States, the Auto manufacturer
should be held partially responsible for tire problems like this,
as well as the tire manufacturer.
****
I am not looking to start a flame war here, nor am I planning to
sue Saab. However, based on my repeated experience with
blowouts now, I *definitely* would advise anyone who cares about
automobiles to look at other cars as well as Saab very carefully.
I suggest that most of them would be better off buying something
else with better mechanical and safety records.
I especially suggest Japanese auto makes, which seem to have
much, much better records these days. There is a reason why
Toyota has just passed Chrysler in US auto sales.
mb
johs@sizefitter.com says...
>
>
> milt brewster wrote:
> >
> > Less than 11,000 miles on a 2000 9-3 coupe.
> >
> > SECOND catastrophic freeway blowout in six months. Both quick
> > and dangerous.
> >
> > NEW Michelin tires have/had 11,000 miles on them. The first
> > blowout occurred at only 5500 miles. The Dealer has refused to
> > deal with the issue.
> >
> > OnStar failed to work.
> >
> > I had to literally risk my life changing my tire on the freeway.
> >
> > I lost an important client because of this.
> >
> > Everything on this car costs double what Hondas and Toyotas cost.
> > I see no added value, but lots of added risk and hassle. Tires
> > are one of the simpler quality items for an Auto Maker to get
> > right. If Saab puts bubblegum tires on their cars without
> > noticing; I can hardly wait to see what they didn't 'notice'
> > next.
>
> But what has all this to do with Saab? Michelin is a top brand tire.
> A blow out is a rare but possible risk, possibly caused by prior
> damage to the tire. Onstar is a communication system that has little
> to do with the car and is only fitted in some markets.
>
Johannes, I appreciate your posts in this group over the months.
In the United States, Ford Motor Company is in a world of hurt
right now, because they 1) sold SUVs with bad tires a few years
ago, and then 2) refused to make it right. Their sales have not
recovered three years later, and Ford is losing court cases by
the bunch to very angry customers who can easily establish that
Ford knew about the problem.
While Michelin makes the tires, Saab 1) made the decision to
equip their cars with Michelins, and 2) decided to not make it
"right" with me. I suggest further, that 3) Saab knows that these
Michelins are a safety hazard and doesn't want to admit it; just
like Ford did.
From my calling around yesterday, it looks like Saab has
apparently to stiff-arm other Saab owners with tire problems as
well. This is a safety issue and it is not OK.
Michelin blowouts on new cars are apparently not rare, at least
in California. Three of five independent tire dealers volunteered
to me that their new car customers are losing between five and
ten in a hundred to blowouts over the last few years.
American Courts (not to mention the American auto marketplace)
have determined that in the United States, the Auto manufacturer
should be held partially responsible for tire problems like this,
as well as the tire manufacturer.
****
I am not looking to start a flame war here, nor am I planning to
sue Saab. However, based on my repeated experience with
blowouts now, I *definitely* would advise anyone who cares about
automobiles to look at other cars as well as Saab very carefully.
I suggest that most of them would be better off buying something
else with better mechanical and safety records.
I especially suggest Japanese auto makes, which seem to have
much, much better records these days. There is a reason why
Toyota has just passed Chrysler in US auto sales.
mb