Saab Complaint
#122
Guest
Posts: n/a
Tire Complaint
In article <20030907213313.03375.00000716@mb-m11.aol.com>,
lkrz@aol.comnospam says...
> >Actually in the US, there is supposed to be government oversight
> >of the design, manufacture, marketing and servicing of tires.
> >They are considered to be a critical safety product, and tire
> >manufacturers are supposed to be held to a higher quality
> >standard than might be reasonable for other less critical
> >products.
> >My phone calls to tire dealers indicate a lot, but prove little.
> >
>
> How many phone calls did you make to the National Highway Traffic Safety
> Administration, which overseas tires? Did you call their hotline and file a
> report? Did you visit a regional office?
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/hotline/
> Did you search for the tire -- by tire make and model -- on NHTSA's website to
> see if other problems are being reported?
> Did you fill out a complaint form at NHTSA?
> Ford didn't just decide on their own to recall the Firestones. They were told
> to do it by NHTSA. NHTSA found out about it from complaints filed by consumers.
> NHTSA tells auto and tires makers to do a recall.
> Have you been to Tire Rack and checked out tires and read reviews to see if
> others are having problems with the same tire?
> http://www.tirerack.com
> How much research on the car and potential problems did you do before you
> bought the Saab?
> Acting like a twit in a newsgroup accomplishes nothing. If you're so concerned
> about this "major design flaw" why haven't you taken real action?
>
Laura, while these are reasonable and intelligent suggestions, it
is also unrealistic for you to expect every auto buyer to conduct
this kind of detailed study before they make their purchase
choice. It almost makes me wonder if you yourself just wanted to
vent a little at me... maybe let yourself off the hook for
choices you have made in your own past.
If that's what you're doing, that's OK. I can deal with it.
I'll point out to you now, that in general, USA auto buyers
simply don't have enough information available to them to make
the kind of detailed, exquisitely informed buying decisions that
your response here implies they can. Without good product
quality information, we simply must rely to a large part on the
manufacturer and the dealer to "warrant" that the car we have
just purchased is safely designed, built and equipped. I think
you know what I'm getting at.
****
I didn't go to NHTSA or the tire rack two years ago because I
didn't know I would need to. I thought Saab's choice of Michelins
as OEM equipment were probably a good choice for my 9-3. I was
more concerned about my brakes, the turbo, the transmission, and
the electronics. This is probably a usual and normal concern for
most Saab buyers. While my concerns might not meet your precise
standards, neither was I a negligent or careless buyer. I took
more than a year to pick out my Saab: in fact, it might have been
two years.
When I originally posted my "complaint" here, I was angry but I
was contained. It was not an abusive rant. In any case, I didn't
address my post to anyone in this group; where they could
logically assume I was attacking them personally. Go back and
read that original post.
I didn't realize it was a big-deal safety issue at that point. I
hadn't collected information yet.
Now I have a little more data from other people, and I do indeed
believe that Michelin tires on 2001 Saab 9-3s are a safety issue
worth reporting. Tires matter: Particularly on smaller cars that
are designed to run on low-profile tires that can fail so
suddenly under normal use and care. I now believe that at the
very least, Saab made an unconsciably poor OEM tire choice for
their 2001 9-3s.
mb
lkrz@aol.comnospam says...
> >Actually in the US, there is supposed to be government oversight
> >of the design, manufacture, marketing and servicing of tires.
> >They are considered to be a critical safety product, and tire
> >manufacturers are supposed to be held to a higher quality
> >standard than might be reasonable for other less critical
> >products.
> >My phone calls to tire dealers indicate a lot, but prove little.
> >
>
> How many phone calls did you make to the National Highway Traffic Safety
> Administration, which overseas tires? Did you call their hotline and file a
> report? Did you visit a regional office?
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/hotline/
> Did you search for the tire -- by tire make and model -- on NHTSA's website to
> see if other problems are being reported?
> Did you fill out a complaint form at NHTSA?
> Ford didn't just decide on their own to recall the Firestones. They were told
> to do it by NHTSA. NHTSA found out about it from complaints filed by consumers.
> NHTSA tells auto and tires makers to do a recall.
> Have you been to Tire Rack and checked out tires and read reviews to see if
> others are having problems with the same tire?
> http://www.tirerack.com
> How much research on the car and potential problems did you do before you
> bought the Saab?
> Acting like a twit in a newsgroup accomplishes nothing. If you're so concerned
> about this "major design flaw" why haven't you taken real action?
>
Laura, while these are reasonable and intelligent suggestions, it
is also unrealistic for you to expect every auto buyer to conduct
this kind of detailed study before they make their purchase
choice. It almost makes me wonder if you yourself just wanted to
vent a little at me... maybe let yourself off the hook for
choices you have made in your own past.
If that's what you're doing, that's OK. I can deal with it.
I'll point out to you now, that in general, USA auto buyers
simply don't have enough information available to them to make
the kind of detailed, exquisitely informed buying decisions that
your response here implies they can. Without good product
quality information, we simply must rely to a large part on the
manufacturer and the dealer to "warrant" that the car we have
just purchased is safely designed, built and equipped. I think
you know what I'm getting at.
****
I didn't go to NHTSA or the tire rack two years ago because I
didn't know I would need to. I thought Saab's choice of Michelins
as OEM equipment were probably a good choice for my 9-3. I was
more concerned about my brakes, the turbo, the transmission, and
the electronics. This is probably a usual and normal concern for
most Saab buyers. While my concerns might not meet your precise
standards, neither was I a negligent or careless buyer. I took
more than a year to pick out my Saab: in fact, it might have been
two years.
When I originally posted my "complaint" here, I was angry but I
was contained. It was not an abusive rant. In any case, I didn't
address my post to anyone in this group; where they could
logically assume I was attacking them personally. Go back and
read that original post.
I didn't realize it was a big-deal safety issue at that point. I
hadn't collected information yet.
Now I have a little more data from other people, and I do indeed
believe that Michelin tires on 2001 Saab 9-3s are a safety issue
worth reporting. Tires matter: Particularly on smaller cars that
are designed to run on low-profile tires that can fail so
suddenly under normal use and care. I now believe that at the
very least, Saab made an unconsciably poor OEM tire choice for
their 2001 9-3s.
mb
#123
Guest
Posts: n/a
Tire Complaint
In article <20030907213313.03375.00000716@mb-m11.aol.com>,
lkrz@aol.comnospam says...
> >Actually in the US, there is supposed to be government oversight
> >of the design, manufacture, marketing and servicing of tires.
> >They are considered to be a critical safety product, and tire
> >manufacturers are supposed to be held to a higher quality
> >standard than might be reasonable for other less critical
> >products.
> >My phone calls to tire dealers indicate a lot, but prove little.
> >
>
> How many phone calls did you make to the National Highway Traffic Safety
> Administration, which overseas tires? Did you call their hotline and file a
> report? Did you visit a regional office?
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/hotline/
> Did you search for the tire -- by tire make and model -- on NHTSA's website to
> see if other problems are being reported?
> Did you fill out a complaint form at NHTSA?
> Ford didn't just decide on their own to recall the Firestones. They were told
> to do it by NHTSA. NHTSA found out about it from complaints filed by consumers.
> NHTSA tells auto and tires makers to do a recall.
> Have you been to Tire Rack and checked out tires and read reviews to see if
> others are having problems with the same tire?
> http://www.tirerack.com
> How much research on the car and potential problems did you do before you
> bought the Saab?
> Acting like a twit in a newsgroup accomplishes nothing. If you're so concerned
> about this "major design flaw" why haven't you taken real action?
>
Laura, while these are reasonable and intelligent suggestions, it
is also unrealistic for you to expect every auto buyer to conduct
this kind of detailed study before they make their purchase
choice. It almost makes me wonder if you yourself just wanted to
vent a little at me... maybe let yourself off the hook for
choices you have made in your own past.
If that's what you're doing, that's OK. I can deal with it.
I'll point out to you now, that in general, USA auto buyers
simply don't have enough information available to them to make
the kind of detailed, exquisitely informed buying decisions that
your response here implies they can. Without good product
quality information, we simply must rely to a large part on the
manufacturer and the dealer to "warrant" that the car we have
just purchased is safely designed, built and equipped. I think
you know what I'm getting at.
****
I didn't go to NHTSA or the tire rack two years ago because I
didn't know I would need to. I thought Saab's choice of Michelins
as OEM equipment were probably a good choice for my 9-3. I was
more concerned about my brakes, the turbo, the transmission, and
the electronics. This is probably a usual and normal concern for
most Saab buyers. While my concerns might not meet your precise
standards, neither was I a negligent or careless buyer. I took
more than a year to pick out my Saab: in fact, it might have been
two years.
When I originally posted my "complaint" here, I was angry but I
was contained. It was not an abusive rant. In any case, I didn't
address my post to anyone in this group; where they could
logically assume I was attacking them personally. Go back and
read that original post.
I didn't realize it was a big-deal safety issue at that point. I
hadn't collected information yet.
Now I have a little more data from other people, and I do indeed
believe that Michelin tires on 2001 Saab 9-3s are a safety issue
worth reporting. Tires matter: Particularly on smaller cars that
are designed to run on low-profile tires that can fail so
suddenly under normal use and care. I now believe that at the
very least, Saab made an unconsciably poor OEM tire choice for
their 2001 9-3s.
mb
lkrz@aol.comnospam says...
> >Actually in the US, there is supposed to be government oversight
> >of the design, manufacture, marketing and servicing of tires.
> >They are considered to be a critical safety product, and tire
> >manufacturers are supposed to be held to a higher quality
> >standard than might be reasonable for other less critical
> >products.
> >My phone calls to tire dealers indicate a lot, but prove little.
> >
>
> How many phone calls did you make to the National Highway Traffic Safety
> Administration, which overseas tires? Did you call their hotline and file a
> report? Did you visit a regional office?
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/hotline/
> Did you search for the tire -- by tire make and model -- on NHTSA's website to
> see if other problems are being reported?
> Did you fill out a complaint form at NHTSA?
> Ford didn't just decide on their own to recall the Firestones. They were told
> to do it by NHTSA. NHTSA found out about it from complaints filed by consumers.
> NHTSA tells auto and tires makers to do a recall.
> Have you been to Tire Rack and checked out tires and read reviews to see if
> others are having problems with the same tire?
> http://www.tirerack.com
> How much research on the car and potential problems did you do before you
> bought the Saab?
> Acting like a twit in a newsgroup accomplishes nothing. If you're so concerned
> about this "major design flaw" why haven't you taken real action?
>
Laura, while these are reasonable and intelligent suggestions, it
is also unrealistic for you to expect every auto buyer to conduct
this kind of detailed study before they make their purchase
choice. It almost makes me wonder if you yourself just wanted to
vent a little at me... maybe let yourself off the hook for
choices you have made in your own past.
If that's what you're doing, that's OK. I can deal with it.
I'll point out to you now, that in general, USA auto buyers
simply don't have enough information available to them to make
the kind of detailed, exquisitely informed buying decisions that
your response here implies they can. Without good product
quality information, we simply must rely to a large part on the
manufacturer and the dealer to "warrant" that the car we have
just purchased is safely designed, built and equipped. I think
you know what I'm getting at.
****
I didn't go to NHTSA or the tire rack two years ago because I
didn't know I would need to. I thought Saab's choice of Michelins
as OEM equipment were probably a good choice for my 9-3. I was
more concerned about my brakes, the turbo, the transmission, and
the electronics. This is probably a usual and normal concern for
most Saab buyers. While my concerns might not meet your precise
standards, neither was I a negligent or careless buyer. I took
more than a year to pick out my Saab: in fact, it might have been
two years.
When I originally posted my "complaint" here, I was angry but I
was contained. It was not an abusive rant. In any case, I didn't
address my post to anyone in this group; where they could
logically assume I was attacking them personally. Go back and
read that original post.
I didn't realize it was a big-deal safety issue at that point. I
hadn't collected information yet.
Now I have a little more data from other people, and I do indeed
believe that Michelin tires on 2001 Saab 9-3s are a safety issue
worth reporting. Tires matter: Particularly on smaller cars that
are designed to run on low-profile tires that can fail so
suddenly under normal use and care. I now believe that at the
very least, Saab made an unconsciably poor OEM tire choice for
their 2001 9-3s.
mb
#124
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Saab Complaint
In article <%xU6b.5539$Mg7.5459@pd7tw1no>,
eBayJunkieNOSPAM@shaw.ca says...
> I think that when you use a word like "criminal" and assert that Saab is
> aware of a dangerous situation and go on accuse of a cover-up akin to the
> Ford Explorer/Bridgestone example, you are drawing an extremely thin line
> between what is "libel" and what is "fair comment."
I don't think I am misusing the word "criminal" at all. I've
explained exactly what I meant by the term and you have read my
explanation.
In fact, at this point I think you are inflating this nit so you
can rationalize your own frustration at being unable to address
the real issues my posts are raising. You don't want to read that
Saabs have problems.
******
The fact remains that I had two blowouts in six months (less than
10,000 miles) on Saab's OEM-supplied Michelin tires, with good
care and light driving use. This performance is unacceptably
poor by any standard or measure.
The fact also remains that you don't know squat about American
Communications Law, the concept of "fair comment," or what
passes for Freedom of Speech in the US. Perhaps you should
confine your responses to Saab's very poor OEM choice for tires
in the future.
>
> After spending a good 20 minutes reading all of these posts (and that's 20
> minutes I will NEVER GET BACK), I think I might find it funny if MB and Saab
> ended up in litigation. It would at least add to entertainment value.
No one asked you to read my posts, or anyone elses. If you can't
stand to read a reasonable complaint once in a while, then maybe
YOU're the whiner here; and not me.
As far as litigation goes; .... well, your nieve comment just
shows how very little you know about product liability law as it
is practiced in the United States. I have no plans here.
> That's not meant to offend MB, who obviously has, in his mind, a very real
> issue he's dealing with.
>
> RiCK
Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
same conditions I did.
This makes my post a good subject for this newsgroup.
Because it involves low profile OEM tires on a smaller sedan; it
also makes my experience a good one to share on several other
auto newsgroups as well.
The discussion here ought not to be about whether I personally am
a whiner, a moron, an "arrogant *****," a poor sport, or am
"slandering" Michelin.
The discussion should be about Saabs; other small cars that are
equipped with low profile tires; good and bad tire choices; tire
care; and links to where all of us can conduct research into
these issues and more.
mb
eBayJunkieNOSPAM@shaw.ca says...
> I think that when you use a word like "criminal" and assert that Saab is
> aware of a dangerous situation and go on accuse of a cover-up akin to the
> Ford Explorer/Bridgestone example, you are drawing an extremely thin line
> between what is "libel" and what is "fair comment."
I don't think I am misusing the word "criminal" at all. I've
explained exactly what I meant by the term and you have read my
explanation.
In fact, at this point I think you are inflating this nit so you
can rationalize your own frustration at being unable to address
the real issues my posts are raising. You don't want to read that
Saabs have problems.
******
The fact remains that I had two blowouts in six months (less than
10,000 miles) on Saab's OEM-supplied Michelin tires, with good
care and light driving use. This performance is unacceptably
poor by any standard or measure.
The fact also remains that you don't know squat about American
Communications Law, the concept of "fair comment," or what
passes for Freedom of Speech in the US. Perhaps you should
confine your responses to Saab's very poor OEM choice for tires
in the future.
>
> After spending a good 20 minutes reading all of these posts (and that's 20
> minutes I will NEVER GET BACK), I think I might find it funny if MB and Saab
> ended up in litigation. It would at least add to entertainment value.
No one asked you to read my posts, or anyone elses. If you can't
stand to read a reasonable complaint once in a while, then maybe
YOU're the whiner here; and not me.
As far as litigation goes; .... well, your nieve comment just
shows how very little you know about product liability law as it
is practiced in the United States. I have no plans here.
> That's not meant to offend MB, who obviously has, in his mind, a very real
> issue he's dealing with.
>
> RiCK
Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
same conditions I did.
This makes my post a good subject for this newsgroup.
Because it involves low profile OEM tires on a smaller sedan; it
also makes my experience a good one to share on several other
auto newsgroups as well.
The discussion here ought not to be about whether I personally am
a whiner, a moron, an "arrogant *****," a poor sport, or am
"slandering" Michelin.
The discussion should be about Saabs; other small cars that are
equipped with low profile tires; good and bad tire choices; tire
care; and links to where all of us can conduct research into
these issues and more.
mb
#125
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Saab Complaint
In article <%xU6b.5539$Mg7.5459@pd7tw1no>,
eBayJunkieNOSPAM@shaw.ca says...
> I think that when you use a word like "criminal" and assert that Saab is
> aware of a dangerous situation and go on accuse of a cover-up akin to the
> Ford Explorer/Bridgestone example, you are drawing an extremely thin line
> between what is "libel" and what is "fair comment."
I don't think I am misusing the word "criminal" at all. I've
explained exactly what I meant by the term and you have read my
explanation.
In fact, at this point I think you are inflating this nit so you
can rationalize your own frustration at being unable to address
the real issues my posts are raising. You don't want to read that
Saabs have problems.
******
The fact remains that I had two blowouts in six months (less than
10,000 miles) on Saab's OEM-supplied Michelin tires, with good
care and light driving use. This performance is unacceptably
poor by any standard or measure.
The fact also remains that you don't know squat about American
Communications Law, the concept of "fair comment," or what
passes for Freedom of Speech in the US. Perhaps you should
confine your responses to Saab's very poor OEM choice for tires
in the future.
>
> After spending a good 20 minutes reading all of these posts (and that's 20
> minutes I will NEVER GET BACK), I think I might find it funny if MB and Saab
> ended up in litigation. It would at least add to entertainment value.
No one asked you to read my posts, or anyone elses. If you can't
stand to read a reasonable complaint once in a while, then maybe
YOU're the whiner here; and not me.
As far as litigation goes; .... well, your nieve comment just
shows how very little you know about product liability law as it
is practiced in the United States. I have no plans here.
> That's not meant to offend MB, who obviously has, in his mind, a very real
> issue he's dealing with.
>
> RiCK
Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
same conditions I did.
This makes my post a good subject for this newsgroup.
Because it involves low profile OEM tires on a smaller sedan; it
also makes my experience a good one to share on several other
auto newsgroups as well.
The discussion here ought not to be about whether I personally am
a whiner, a moron, an "arrogant *****," a poor sport, or am
"slandering" Michelin.
The discussion should be about Saabs; other small cars that are
equipped with low profile tires; good and bad tire choices; tire
care; and links to where all of us can conduct research into
these issues and more.
mb
eBayJunkieNOSPAM@shaw.ca says...
> I think that when you use a word like "criminal" and assert that Saab is
> aware of a dangerous situation and go on accuse of a cover-up akin to the
> Ford Explorer/Bridgestone example, you are drawing an extremely thin line
> between what is "libel" and what is "fair comment."
I don't think I am misusing the word "criminal" at all. I've
explained exactly what I meant by the term and you have read my
explanation.
In fact, at this point I think you are inflating this nit so you
can rationalize your own frustration at being unable to address
the real issues my posts are raising. You don't want to read that
Saabs have problems.
******
The fact remains that I had two blowouts in six months (less than
10,000 miles) on Saab's OEM-supplied Michelin tires, with good
care and light driving use. This performance is unacceptably
poor by any standard or measure.
The fact also remains that you don't know squat about American
Communications Law, the concept of "fair comment," or what
passes for Freedom of Speech in the US. Perhaps you should
confine your responses to Saab's very poor OEM choice for tires
in the future.
>
> After spending a good 20 minutes reading all of these posts (and that's 20
> minutes I will NEVER GET BACK), I think I might find it funny if MB and Saab
> ended up in litigation. It would at least add to entertainment value.
No one asked you to read my posts, or anyone elses. If you can't
stand to read a reasonable complaint once in a while, then maybe
YOU're the whiner here; and not me.
As far as litigation goes; .... well, your nieve comment just
shows how very little you know about product liability law as it
is practiced in the United States. I have no plans here.
> That's not meant to offend MB, who obviously has, in his mind, a very real
> issue he's dealing with.
>
> RiCK
Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
same conditions I did.
This makes my post a good subject for this newsgroup.
Because it involves low profile OEM tires on a smaller sedan; it
also makes my experience a good one to share on several other
auto newsgroups as well.
The discussion here ought not to be about whether I personally am
a whiner, a moron, an "arrogant *****," a poor sport, or am
"slandering" Michelin.
The discussion should be about Saabs; other small cars that are
equipped with low profile tires; good and bad tire choices; tire
care; and links to where all of us can conduct research into
these issues and more.
mb
#126
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Saab Complaint
So, what did Michelin customer service say when you called them. What are
you running for tire pressure.
It was the Ford/Firestone (not bridgestone) problem. Ford put firestones on
there explorers, and when they rode to stiff, they lowered the tire
pressure. Running tires underinflated blows tires, its as simple as that.
> Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> same conditions I did.
you running for tire pressure.
It was the Ford/Firestone (not bridgestone) problem. Ford put firestones on
there explorers, and when they rode to stiff, they lowered the tire
pressure. Running tires underinflated blows tires, its as simple as that.
> Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> same conditions I did.
#127
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Saab Complaint
So, what did Michelin customer service say when you called them. What are
you running for tire pressure.
It was the Ford/Firestone (not bridgestone) problem. Ford put firestones on
there explorers, and when they rode to stiff, they lowered the tire
pressure. Running tires underinflated blows tires, its as simple as that.
> Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> same conditions I did.
you running for tire pressure.
It was the Ford/Firestone (not bridgestone) problem. Ford put firestones on
there explorers, and when they rode to stiff, they lowered the tire
pressure. Running tires underinflated blows tires, its as simple as that.
> Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> same conditions I did.
#128
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Saab Complaint
> Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> same conditions I did.
Milt, I'm bored with all this, please come back and post the results of
your expert witness who will have investigated the *actual* reason for
the blowouts of your tyres.
Continual conjecture is getting very old very quickly!
My inlet manifold hose shouldn't have come off last Thursday suddenly
leaving me powerless at 80mph in the outside lane of a motorway but it
did - life goes on.
David.
> that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> same conditions I did.
Milt, I'm bored with all this, please come back and post the results of
your expert witness who will have investigated the *actual* reason for
the blowouts of your tyres.
Continual conjecture is getting very old very quickly!
My inlet manifold hose shouldn't have come off last Thursday suddenly
leaving me powerless at 80mph in the outside lane of a motorway but it
did - life goes on.
David.
#129
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Saab Complaint
> Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> same conditions I did.
Milt, I'm bored with all this, please come back and post the results of
your expert witness who will have investigated the *actual* reason for
the blowouts of your tyres.
Continual conjecture is getting very old very quickly!
My inlet manifold hose shouldn't have come off last Thursday suddenly
leaving me powerless at 80mph in the outside lane of a motorway but it
did - life goes on.
David.
> that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> same conditions I did.
Milt, I'm bored with all this, please come back and post the results of
your expert witness who will have investigated the *actual* reason for
the blowouts of your tyres.
Continual conjecture is getting very old very quickly!
My inlet manifold hose shouldn't have come off last Thursday suddenly
leaving me powerless at 80mph in the outside lane of a motorway but it
did - life goes on.
David.
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Re: Saab Complaint
David Taylor <djtaylor@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19c85997e1d19ba7989b2c@news.cis.dfn.de...
> > Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> > that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> > a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> > any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> > same conditions I did.
>
> Milt, I'm bored with all this, please come back and post the results of
> your expert witness who will have investigated the *actual* reason for
> the blowouts of your tyres.
>
> Continual conjecture is getting very old very quickly!
>
> My inlet manifold hose shouldn't have come off last Thursday suddenly
> leaving me powerless at 80mph in the outside lane of a motorway but it
> did - life goes on.
>
> David.
Agreed - it's not like the geezer's tyres popped because they were on a
Saab, and its not because they're a crap tyre - Michelins are among the
better tyres of the market.
Stop complaining, freak accident.
Nick.
news:MPG.19c85997e1d19ba7989b2c@news.cis.dfn.de...
> > Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> > that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> > a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> > any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> > same conditions I did.
>
> Milt, I'm bored with all this, please come back and post the results of
> your expert witness who will have investigated the *actual* reason for
> the blowouts of your tyres.
>
> Continual conjecture is getting very old very quickly!
>
> My inlet manifold hose shouldn't have come off last Thursday suddenly
> leaving me powerless at 80mph in the outside lane of a motorway but it
> did - life goes on.
>
> David.
Agreed - it's not like the geezer's tyres popped because they were on a
Saab, and its not because they're a crap tyre - Michelins are among the
better tyres of the market.
Stop complaining, freak accident.
Nick.
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Re: Saab Complaint
David Taylor <djtaylor@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19c85997e1d19ba7989b2c@news.cis.dfn.de...
> > Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> > that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> > a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> > any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> > same conditions I did.
>
> Milt, I'm bored with all this, please come back and post the results of
> your expert witness who will have investigated the *actual* reason for
> the blowouts of your tyres.
>
> Continual conjecture is getting very old very quickly!
>
> My inlet manifold hose shouldn't have come off last Thursday suddenly
> leaving me powerless at 80mph in the outside lane of a motorway but it
> did - life goes on.
>
> David.
Agreed - it's not like the geezer's tyres popped because they were on a
Saab, and its not because they're a crap tyre - Michelins are among the
better tyres of the market.
Stop complaining, freak accident.
Nick.
news:MPG.19c85997e1d19ba7989b2c@news.cis.dfn.de...
> > Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
> > that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
> > a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
> > any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
> > same conditions I did.
>
> Milt, I'm bored with all this, please come back and post the results of
> your expert witness who will have investigated the *actual* reason for
> the blowouts of your tyres.
>
> Continual conjecture is getting very old very quickly!
>
> My inlet manifold hose shouldn't have come off last Thursday suddenly
> leaving me powerless at 80mph in the outside lane of a motorway but it
> did - life goes on.
>
> David.
Agreed - it's not like the geezer's tyres popped because they were on a
Saab, and its not because they're a crap tyre - Michelins are among the
better tyres of the market.
Stop complaining, freak accident.
Nick.
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Re: Saab Tire Complaint: Important
milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.19c550dba48b58ea989dc5@news.sonic.net>.. .
[snip]
I look at this newsgroup no more often than once every few weeks, the
reason being that I do not own a SAAB. My brother used to own a 1986
9000 on which I did a little work.
As for the tires, you can check on recalls or file a complaint by
going to this website:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/E...res/index.html
[snip]
I look at this newsgroup no more often than once every few weeks, the
reason being that I do not own a SAAB. My brother used to own a 1986
9000 on which I did a little work.
As for the tires, you can check on recalls or file a complaint by
going to this website:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/E...res/index.html
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Re: Saab Tire Complaint: Important
milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.19c550dba48b58ea989dc5@news.sonic.net>.. .
[snip]
I look at this newsgroup no more often than once every few weeks, the
reason being that I do not own a SAAB. My brother used to own a 1986
9000 on which I did a little work.
As for the tires, you can check on recalls or file a complaint by
going to this website:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/E...res/index.html
[snip]
I look at this newsgroup no more often than once every few weeks, the
reason being that I do not own a SAAB. My brother used to own a 1986
9000 on which I did a little work.
As for the tires, you can check on recalls or file a complaint by
going to this website:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/E...res/index.html
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Re: Saab Tire Complaint: Important
milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.19c550dba48b58ea989dc5@news.sonic.net>.. .
[snip]
I look at this newsgroup no more often than once every few weeks, the
reason being that I do not own a SAAB. My brother used to own a 1986
9000 on which I did a little work.
As for the tires, you can check on recalls or file a complaint by
going to this website:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/E...res/index.html
[snip]
I look at this newsgroup no more often than once every few weeks, the
reason being that I do not own a SAAB. My brother used to own a 1986
9000 on which I did a little work.
As for the tires, you can check on recalls or file a complaint by
going to this website:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/E...res/index.html
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Miltoon is a busy boy...Re: Saab Complaint
Miltoon,
You sure get around the newsgroups. What a toon.
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>snipped all of the crap
>
> milton brewster
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>snipped all of the crap
>
> milton brewster