"Shaman" <shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well, you found this normal? A brand new car, about near 30000$, with
> taxes... I know sometimes happens, and I know it's not a 70000$ car,
> but can we expect some quality in what we buy? What about the quality
> control guys at this Hyundai plant? And, if I am not mistaken, this is a
> new pplant, in Alabama, USA, not in Mexico where we can expect this kind
> of "cheap labor problems"
>
> Shaman

No, I did not say it is normal. I do expect that they would fix it. What is
funny to me is that you expect a gift of some sort. Poor quality can come
from any plant and while it should not happen, it does. Reputable companies
make good.

I bought a Hyundai (pick it up tonight) because of my problems with a Buick
that costs considerably more. I started being dissatisfied when the front
seat heater went out and it was less than 3 years, but more than 36k so they
wanted $576 to fix it. Then it was the transmission, two power windows,
cruise control switch, coupled with rotors, wheel bearing, sensors and
little stuff like that.

 

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
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> "razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message
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>
> < Hyundai refuses to cover their
> > up from the factory. Like I said, never again will I entertain the idea
of
> > purchasing another vehicle from them. The dealership even knew I replace
> my
> > cars every 5 years.
>
> The part that surprises me the most about this is that the dealership
won't
> do it for free for a good return customer. Or - are you saying that you
buy
> new cars every five years, but don't have a history with this dealer?
Seems
> to me that any dealer who knew you as a 5 year return customer would
gladly
> eat the hundred bucks necessary to cover the work.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
This is my first Hyundai. The dealership owner owns other dealerships and
knows I've bought from him before. Plus a relative does allot of business
with him also. Regardless, Documented proof that their is no primer on the
handles very well indicate that this is a factory up. I don't care who
covers the cost, which is more than a hundred bucks, to do it properly the
door interior trim panels have to come off so that the handles and door
locks can be removed from the door to properly paint them. Its how the whole
situation was handled from Hyundai to the dealership.

 

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>
> "razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message
> news:IlTPg.31577$iJ1.18999@newsfe20.lga...
>
> < Hyundai refuses to cover their
> > up from the factory. Like I said, never again will I entertain the idea
of
> > purchasing another vehicle from them. The dealership even knew I replace
> my
> > cars every 5 years.
>
> The part that surprises me the most about this is that the dealership
won't
> do it for free for a good return customer. Or - are you saying that you
buy
> new cars every five years, but don't have a history with this dealer?
Seems
> to me that any dealer who knew you as a 5 year return customer would
gladly
> eat the hundred bucks necessary to cover the work.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
This is my first Hyundai. The dealership owner owns other dealerships and
knows I've bought from him before. Plus a relative does allot of business
with him also. Regardless, Documented proof that their is no primer on the
handles very well indicate that this is a factory up. I don't care who
covers the cost, which is more than a hundred bucks, to do it properly the
door interior trim panels have to come off so that the handles and door
locks can be removed from the door to properly paint them. Its how the whole
situation was handled from Hyundai to the dealership.

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:%yPPg.1353$Db4.166764@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>>I've seen few paint shops, other than very expensive custom car shops,
>>that can match the quality of todays factory paint. And no matter how
>>good, it is hard to match the color exactly given the weathering that
>>has occurred already. And silver is particularly hard to match.
>>
>
>
> I've shot many gallons of paint Matt, today's paints do indeed match the
> quality of the factory paint. Hell, almost anyone can shoot a paint that
> will bubble off - that's a pretty good replication of the factory quality.
> Seriously though - today's base and clear urethanes produce a paint job that
> is every bit as good as what comes from the factory. Custom car shops
> typically use the same paint systems as the shop down the road, unless they
> are doing something unique like a restoration, and in the name of the
> restoration they are using period paints.

I shot a few gallons in my younger days as well. However, and my wife
can verify this, I can walk around a car and tell you with almost 100%
accuracy if it has been repainted in whole or in part. It is hard to
say for sure why, I can just tell.

Matt

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:%yPPg.1353$Db4.166764@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>>I've seen few paint shops, other than very expensive custom car shops,
>>that can match the quality of todays factory paint. And no matter how
>>good, it is hard to match the color exactly given the weathering that
>>has occurred already. And silver is particularly hard to match.
>>
>
>
> I've shot many gallons of paint Matt, today's paints do indeed match the
> quality of the factory paint. Hell, almost anyone can shoot a paint that
> will bubble off - that's a pretty good replication of the factory quality.
> Seriously though - today's base and clear urethanes produce a paint job that
> is every bit as good as what comes from the factory. Custom car shops
> typically use the same paint systems as the shop down the road, unless they
> are doing something unique like a restoration, and in the name of the
> restoration they are using period paints.

I shot a few gallons in my younger days as well. However, and my wife
can verify this, I can walk around a car and tell you with almost 100%
accuracy if it has been repainted in whole or in part. It is hard to
say for sure why, I can just tell.

Matt

 

"razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message
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> Well apparently the 5 year bumper to bumper warranty does not cover paint,
> at least in Canada it doesn't. 3 years on paint defect. I did not know
> that,
> since 5 year b to b warranty means just that to me... everything from
> ground
> up is covered, aside of coarse brakes and the like.

Yes, the bumper to bumper covers most everything, but they probably figure
the paint is outside the bumpers and not covered

 

"razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message
news:IlTPg.31577$iJ1.18999@newsfe20.lga...
> Well apparently the 5 year bumper to bumper warranty does not cover paint,
> at least in Canada it doesn't. 3 years on paint defect. I did not know
> that,
> since 5 year b to b warranty means just that to me... everything from
> ground
> up is covered, aside of coarse brakes and the like.

Yes, the bumper to bumper covers most everything, but they probably figure
the paint is outside the bumpers and not covered

 

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:54:13 -0400, "Shaman"
<shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote:

>That's my point. I know sometimes happens, but on a brand new car...
>How come the guys at the plant have done this? And what about Quality
>Control??

The car makers are really up against it. If weight and emissions were
no problem, the paint would doubtless be better. It's super expensive
to paint cars, even at the factory. Paint must be an expensive, low
emission type, maybe even water-based. Every little bit of paint must
be controlled and disposed of in a very expensive manner. Waste paint
disposal is probably more costly than the paint itself.

Small shops don't fall under the same restrictions. They can use more
volatile and dangerous types of paint, and their cleanup is not
monitored in most areas.
-

Bob

 

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:54:13 -0400, "Shaman"
<shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote:

>That's my point. I know sometimes happens, but on a brand new car...
>How come the guys at the plant have done this? And what about Quality
>Control??

The car makers are really up against it. If weight and emissions were
no problem, the paint would doubtless be better. It's super expensive
to paint cars, even at the factory. Paint must be an expensive, low
emission type, maybe even water-based. Every little bit of paint must
be controlled and disposed of in a very expensive manner. Waste paint
disposal is probably more costly than the paint itself.

Small shops don't fall under the same restrictions. They can use more
volatile and dangerous types of paint, and their cleanup is not
monitored in most areas.
-

Bob

 

Well, in fact, I know you are right, but this is not My problem, it's THEIR!
My problem is that I have a brand new near 30K$ car, 4 months old, and
already have paint problems. My dealer wants to show this to the Hyundai
representative. I'll keep you guys in touch with this issue.

What I'll do, I will take lot of pictures of it, and go see 2 independent
body shop experts for examination. I think you're right, bad surface
preparation, or no primer at all. Maybé a hardener problem? Paint is
bubbling, and soft to touch.

Shaman


"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
5b41h25118fkil8ap7fr8gv6rrk5q3ufb2@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:54:13 -0400, "Shaman"
> <shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>That's my point. I know sometimes happens, but on a brand new car...
>>How come the guys at the plant have done this? And what about Quality
>>Control??
>
> The car makers are really up against it. If weight and emissions were
> no problem, the paint would doubtless be better. It's super expensive
> to paint cars, even at the factory. Paint must be an expensive, low
> emission type, maybe even water-based. Every little bit of paint must
> be controlled and disposed of in a very expensive manner. Waste paint
> disposal is probably more costly than the paint itself.
>
> Small shops don't fall under the same restrictions. They can use more
> volatile and dangerous types of paint, and their cleanup is not
> monitored in most areas.
> -
>
> Bob

 

Well, in fact, I know you are right, but this is not My problem, it's THEIR!
My problem is that I have a brand new near 30K$ car, 4 months old, and
already have paint problems. My dealer wants to show this to the Hyundai
representative. I'll keep you guys in touch with this issue.

What I'll do, I will take lot of pictures of it, and go see 2 independent
body shop experts for examination. I think you're right, bad surface
preparation, or no primer at all. Maybé a hardener problem? Paint is
bubbling, and soft to touch.

Shaman


"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
5b41h25118fkil8ap7fr8gv6rrk5q3ufb2@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:54:13 -0400, "Shaman"
> <shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>That's my point. I know sometimes happens, but on a brand new car...
>>How come the guys at the plant have done this? And what about Quality
>>Control??
>
> The car makers are really up against it. If weight and emissions were
> no problem, the paint would doubtless be better. It's super expensive
> to paint cars, even at the factory. Paint must be an expensive, low
> emission type, maybe even water-based. Every little bit of paint must
> be controlled and disposed of in a very expensive manner. Waste paint
> disposal is probably more costly than the paint itself.
>
> Small shops don't fall under the same restrictions. They can use more
> volatile and dangerous types of paint, and their cleanup is not
> monitored in most areas.
> -
>
> Bob

 

My dealer wants to show this problem to the Hyundai representative. Now, I
am asking: paint problems, what's next??!!??

I'll keep you in touch with this issue.

Shaman


"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
uxPPg.1352$Db4.166646@news1.epix.net...
> Shaman wrote:
>> I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the
>> paint is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the
>> trunk. The bubbles are soft, like if the paint didn't dry. The bubbles
>> are located inside the doors, near the trim where the sheet steel is
>> folded and welded. My hyundai dealer said "no problem, we will fix it"
>> but I just don't want a brand new car been sanded and re-painted.
>>
>> Anybody experienced this?
>> What should I do, as I don't want it to be re-painted?
>
> There is no choice if you want it fixed. This is very likely caused by
> surface contamination that was cleaned off prior to painting. It has
> prevented the paint from adhering properly. The only fix is to sand to
> bare metal and repaint. Yes, I always hate to have the paint touched on a
> new car also as it never looks quite the same.
>
> Matt

 

My dealer wants to show this problem to the Hyundai representative. Now, I
am asking: paint problems, what's next??!!??

I'll keep you in touch with this issue.

Shaman


"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
uxPPg.1352$Db4.166646@news1.epix.net...
> Shaman wrote:
>> I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the
>> paint is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the
>> trunk. The bubbles are soft, like if the paint didn't dry. The bubbles
>> are located inside the doors, near the trim where the sheet steel is
>> folded and welded. My hyundai dealer said "no problem, we will fix it"
>> but I just don't want a brand new car been sanded and re-painted.
>>
>> Anybody experienced this?
>> What should I do, as I don't want it to be re-painted?
>
> There is no choice if you want it fixed. This is very likely caused by
> surface contamination that was cleaned off prior to painting. It has
> prevented the paint from adhering properly. The only fix is to sand to
> bare metal and repaint. Yes, I always hate to have the paint touched on a
> new car also as it never looks quite the same.
>
> Matt

 

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:31:25 -0400, "Shaman"
<shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote:

>I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the paint
>is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the trunk. The
>bubbles are soft, like if the paint didn't dry. The bubbles are located
>inside the doors, near the trim where the sheet steel is folded and welded.
>My hyundai dealer said "no problem, we will fix it" but I just don't want a
>brand new car been sanded and re-painted.
>
>Anybody experienced this?
>What should I do, as I don't want it to be re-painted?
>
>Thanks for advices
>
>Shaman
>
>

I have read all the posts below...and I agree with you. Obviously it
should be fixed at no charge...and any good dealer (or the company
itself) would throw in a "present", be it some future free service or
something. I currently own two Hyundai Elantra GTs (03 & 05) and am
very happy with both cars. I will be buying one for my son soon too. I
have had zero problems with either car, however, it seems to be a
fairly common known fact that the paint on Hyundais is a weak point.
Not like yours, but just very thin and very easy to scratch. It gets
touched it leaves a mark and I also find this to be true. Don't sour
on Hyundais just for this IF they take care of you properly.
Good luck.

 

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:31:25 -0400, "Shaman"
<shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote:

>I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the paint
>is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the trunk. The
>bubbles are soft, like if the paint didn't dry. The bubbles are located
>inside the doors, near the trim where the sheet steel is folded and welded.
>My hyundai dealer said "no problem, we will fix it" but I just don't want a
>brand new car been sanded and re-painted.
>
>Anybody experienced this?
>What should I do, as I don't want it to be re-painted?
>
>Thanks for advices
>
>Shaman
>
>

I have read all the posts below...and I agree with you. Obviously it
should be fixed at no charge...and any good dealer (or the company
itself) would throw in a "present", be it some future free service or
something. I currently own two Hyundai Elantra GTs (03 & 05) and am
very happy with both cars. I will be buying one for my son soon too. I
have had zero problems with either car, however, it seems to be a
fairly common known fact that the paint on Hyundais is a weak point.
Not like yours, but just very thin and very easy to scratch. It gets
touched it leaves a mark and I also find this to be true. Don't sour
on Hyundais just for this IF they take care of you properly.
Good luck.