On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:45:21 -0500, DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake
Villa) wrote:

>'I hope this isn't an attempt to prove me wrong, Dave. While I support
>Christian morals, I also support tolerance of others up to the point
>where they begin to tread on my individual rights.'
>
>REPLY: H.T. , Yes...I can agree with this too. However, I support
>taking a stand against the very things which are sending this country
>down the moral sewer also ; I think its encumbant upon all of us who
>know right from wrong and who care about this Country to do so. I trust
>you feel the same way as its ok to be intolerant toward things which
>ruin an entire nation. Regards.

Dave, I gotta tell you there's almost nothing I dislike more than Christian
proselytizing. One thing I dislike more would be Atheistic proselytizing.

Let's talk Hyundai's friend!
--
Bob

 

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:35:56 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:

> With no oiling issues, it'd be far better to try to gradually dissolve the sludge.


All one has to do is tear down an older engine that has been well-maintained
and have a look. It's amazing how clean everything is... including the oil
pan. Only in cases of abuse or overheating will you normally find anything
that flushing would help.
--
Bob

 

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:35:56 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:

> With no oiling issues, it'd be far better to try to gradually dissolve the sludge.


All one has to do is tear down an older engine that has been well-maintained
and have a look. It's amazing how clean everything is... including the oil
pan. Only in cases of abuse or overheating will you normally find anything
that flushing would help.
--
Bob

 

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:35:56 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:

> With no oiling issues, it'd be far better to try to gradually dissolve the sludge.


All one has to do is tear down an older engine that has been well-maintained
and have a look. It's amazing how clean everything is... including the oil
pan. Only in cases of abuse or overheating will you normally find anything
that flushing would help.
--
Bob

 

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:02:53 -0500, DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake
Villa) wrote:


>If I (or someone else) has not had FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE
>with something/someone..

OK Dave, I have had first-hand experience. I have torn down many, many
engines.

It's amazing how clean an old but well-maintained engine is. Only in cases
of abuse or overheating will you normally find anything that flushing would
help. Based on my experience, I don't think flushing has any value in a
normal maintenance regime.
--
Bob

 

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:02:53 -0500, DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake
Villa) wrote:


>If I (or someone else) has not had FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE
>with something/someone..

OK Dave, I have had first-hand experience. I have torn down many, many
engines.

It's amazing how clean an old but well-maintained engine is. Only in cases
of abuse or overheating will you normally find anything that flushing would
help. Based on my experience, I don't think flushing has any value in a
normal maintenance regime.
--
Bob

 

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:02:53 -0500, DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake
Villa) wrote:


>If I (or someone else) has not had FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE
>with something/someone..

OK Dave, I have had first-hand experience. I have torn down many, many
engines.

It's amazing how clean an old but well-maintained engine is. Only in cases
of abuse or overheating will you normally find anything that flushing would
help. Based on my experience, I don't think flushing has any value in a
normal maintenance regime.
--
Bob

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

Let's see, so far we've discovered that he believes in the Bilstein
> machine and K&N filters. Wanna bet whether he has one of those
> "Turbonators" in his intake and Slick 50 or Duralube in his crankcase?
> Perhaps he believes in E3 spark plugs, too?
>
> Yeah, there's one born every minute.

And perhaps uses a water injection (Adds 80 HP INSTANTLY!) add-on?

Water injection systems are predominantly useful in forced induction
(turbocharged or supercharged), internal combustion engines. Only in
extreme cases such as very high compression ratios, very low octane
fuel or too much ignition advance can it benefit a normally aspirated
engine.

<<<Note that for water injection to provide useful power gains, the
engine management and fuel systems must be able to monitor the knock
and adjust both stoichiometry and ignition to obtain significant
benefits. Aviation engines are designed to accommodate water injection,
most automobile engines are not. Returns on investment are usually
harder to achieve on engines that do not normal extend their
performance envelope into those regions. >>>

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

Let's see, so far we've discovered that he believes in the Bilstein
> machine and K&N filters. Wanna bet whether he has one of those
> "Turbonators" in his intake and Slick 50 or Duralube in his crankcase?
> Perhaps he believes in E3 spark plugs, too?
>
> Yeah, there's one born every minute.

And perhaps uses a water injection (Adds 80 HP INSTANTLY!) add-on?

Water injection systems are predominantly useful in forced induction
(turbocharged or supercharged), internal combustion engines. Only in
extreme cases such as very high compression ratios, very low octane
fuel or too much ignition advance can it benefit a normally aspirated
engine.

<<<Note that for water injection to provide useful power gains, the
engine management and fuel systems must be able to monitor the knock
and adjust both stoichiometry and ignition to obtain significant
benefits. Aviation engines are designed to accommodate water injection,
most automobile engines are not. Returns on investment are usually
harder to achieve on engines that do not normal extend their
performance envelope into those regions. >>>

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

Let's see, so far we've discovered that he believes in the Bilstein
> machine and K&N filters. Wanna bet whether he has one of those
> "Turbonators" in his intake and Slick 50 or Duralube in his crankcase?
> Perhaps he believes in E3 spark plugs, too?
>
> Yeah, there's one born every minute.

And perhaps uses a water injection (Adds 80 HP INSTANTLY!) add-on?

Water injection systems are predominantly useful in forced induction
(turbocharged or supercharged), internal combustion engines. Only in
extreme cases such as very high compression ratios, very low octane
fuel or too much ignition advance can it benefit a normally aspirated
engine.

<<<Note that for water injection to provide useful power gains, the
engine management and fuel systems must be able to monitor the knock
and adjust both stoichiometry and ignition to obtain significant
benefits. Aviation engines are designed to accommodate water injection,
most automobile engines are not. Returns on investment are usually
harder to achieve on engines that do not normal extend their
performance envelope into those regions. >>>

 

While I agree there's a chance of engine damage, that's very small. I
don't see the point in doing the flush in the case where there is no
actual oiling problem to begin with, but if you've already got a clogged
or partially clogged passage, you're far more likely to do damage by
driving than by flushing. And remember, this would be for people facing
costly repairs in the first place. If it's inexpensive to clean by hand
whatever's clogged, that's a far better alternativbe.

 

While I agree there's a chance of engine damage, that's very small. I
don't see the point in doing the flush in the case where there is no
actual oiling problem to begin with, but if you've already got a clogged
or partially clogged passage, you're far more likely to do damage by
driving than by flushing. And remember, this would be for people facing
costly repairs in the first place. If it's inexpensive to clean by hand
whatever's clogged, that's a far better alternativbe.

 

While I agree there's a chance of engine damage, that's very small. I
don't see the point in doing the flush in the case where there is no
actual oiling problem to begin with, but if you've already got a clogged
or partially clogged passage, you're far more likely to do damage by
driving than by flushing. And remember, this would be for people facing
costly repairs in the first place. If it's inexpensive to clean by hand
whatever's clogged, that's a far better alternativbe.

 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:kENrg.363$Pa.42497@news1.epix.net...

>
> You haven't looked very hard. This was from the very first page of a
> Google search using "K&N filter efficiency test" as search words.
>
> http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm

I didn't do a google search at all Matt - I was asking people here if they
had good reasons for their disklike of K&N.

I do appreciate the link though.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:kENrg.363$Pa.42497@news1.epix.net...

>
> You haven't looked very hard. This was from the very first page of a
> Google search using "K&N filter efficiency test" as search words.
>
> http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm

I didn't do a google search at all Matt - I was asking people here if they
had good reasons for their disklike of K&N.

I do appreciate the link though.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net