Dave in Lake Villa

'Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I'

REPLY: Glad to hear that Matt. So, if you were to die very
unexpectedly tonight and stand before God immediatly, how would you
answer the question of him asking you :" Matt, why should i let you into
Heaven for eternity ?" .

'Do you have first-hand experience with alcohol? illegal drugs?
prostitutes? homosexuality? or any other things that you consider to be
sinful?'

REPLY: Yes on most of those, prior to acceptance of making Christ the
Lord of my everyday life.

'If not, does that mean that you don't condemn such activities since you
lack personal experience with them?'

REPLY: I dont need to condemn some activity based on IF i have had
first hand experience with them ; the absolute answer to whether they
are right or not is found in 'The Manufacturers Manual' aka : The Bible
If the Bible listed The Bilstien Flush Machine as a credible
thing..then that would be good enough for me without even seeing one.
If it isnt listed there, then, the next best thing would be to undergo
an intensive investigation into it including a careful examination of
the evidence (a detailed written explanation of how it works, pictures,
its goal(s) , eye witness testimony, etc...). Unless i had done this,
it would be presumptuous of me to give a relative opinion when i could
have given a later absolute conviction as to its credibility. Hope
that helps Matt. Dave.

Dave in Lake Villa

''I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
magic machine?
Matt'

The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
Systems came along.

What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata,
Elantra, Taurus, etc?'

REPLY: Everything. Cars have been working reasonably well for nearly
100 years now ; but as time marches forward and technology
increases....there are more advantageous methods and ways which were not
known some 100 years ago. Such is the case with preventive maintenance
/ repair techniques on modern cars versus old ones.

Dave in Lake Villa

''I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
magic machine?
Matt'

The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
Systems came along.

What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata,
Elantra, Taurus, etc?'

REPLY: Everything. Cars have been working reasonably well for nearly
100 years now ; but as time marches forward and technology
increases....there are more advantageous methods and ways which were not
known some 100 years ago. Such is the case with preventive maintenance
/ repair techniques on modern cars versus old ones.

Dave in Lake Villa

''I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
magic machine?
Matt'

The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
Systems came along.

What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata,
Elantra, Taurus, etc?'

REPLY: Everything. Cars have been working reasonably well for nearly
100 years now ; but as time marches forward and technology
increases....there are more advantageous methods and ways which were not
known some 100 years ago. Such is the case with preventive maintenance
/ repair techniques on modern cars versus old ones.

Bob

"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19336-44ADD88E-1438@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...
> ''I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
> magic machine?
> Matt'
>
> The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
> Systems came along.
>
> What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata,
> Elantra, Taurus, etc?'
>
> REPLY: Everything. Cars have been working reasonably well for nearly
> 100 years now ; but as time marches forward and technology
> increases....there are more advantageous methods and ways which were not
> known some 100 years ago. Such is the case with preventive maintenance
> / repair techniques on modern cars versus old ones.

But my question was: What point are you trying to make by relating the way
cars have operated prior to the existence of the de-sludging machine - which
I guess could be used on most any vehicle - to something like CDI, which is
not present on, and cannot be adapted to be used with most normal vehicles?

Bob

"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19336-44ADD88E-1438@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...
> ''I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
> magic machine?
> Matt'
>
> The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
> Systems came along.
>
> What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata,
> Elantra, Taurus, etc?'
>
> REPLY: Everything. Cars have been working reasonably well for nearly
> 100 years now ; but as time marches forward and technology
> increases....there are more advantageous methods and ways which were not
> known some 100 years ago. Such is the case with preventive maintenance
> / repair techniques on modern cars versus old ones.

But my question was: What point are you trying to make by relating the way
cars have operated prior to the existence of the de-sludging machine - which
I guess could be used on most any vehicle - to something like CDI, which is
not present on, and cannot be adapted to be used with most normal vehicles?

Bob

"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19336-44ADD88E-1438@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...
> ''I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
> magic machine?
> Matt'
>
> The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
> Systems came along.
>
> What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata,
> Elantra, Taurus, etc?'
>
> REPLY: Everything. Cars have been working reasonably well for nearly
> 100 years now ; but as time marches forward and technology
> increases....there are more advantageous methods and ways which were not
> known some 100 years ago. Such is the case with preventive maintenance
> / repair techniques on modern cars versus old ones.

But my question was: What point are you trying to make by relating the way
cars have operated prior to the existence of the de-sludging machine - which
I guess could be used on most any vehicle - to something like CDI, which is
not present on, and cannot be adapted to be used with most normal vehicles?

Matt Whiting

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I'
>
> REPLY: Glad to hear that Matt. So, if you were to die very
> unexpectedly tonight and stand before God immediatly, how would you
> answer the question of him asking you :" Matt, why should i let you into
> Heaven for eternity ?" .

That is a topic for a different newsgroup.


> REPLY: I dont need to condemn some activity based on IF i have had
> first hand experience with them ; the absolute answer to whether they
> are right or not is found in 'The Manufacturers Manual' aka : The Bible
> If the Bible listed The Bilstien Flush Machine as a credible
> thing..then that would be good enough for me without even seeing one.
> If it isnt listed there, then, the next best thing would be to undergo
> an intensive investigation into it including a careful examination of
> the evidence (a detailed written explanation of how it works, pictures,
> its goal(s) , eye witness testimony, etc...). Unless i had done this,
> it would be presumptuous of me to give a relative opinion when i could
> have given a later absolute conviction as to its credibility. Hope
> that helps Matt. Dave.

And you have the manufacturer's manual for your Hyundai also. It is
called the owner's manual. Does it specify engine flushing using the
Bilstein machine? If not, then why do you think it is necessary?

I have investigated what I saw published about the Bilstein machine. It
is simply an unnecessary gimmick, just like so many others designed to
separate people from their money. Things such as transmission flushing
machines, oil additives, etc.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I'
>
> REPLY: Glad to hear that Matt. So, if you were to die very
> unexpectedly tonight and stand before God immediatly, how would you
> answer the question of him asking you :" Matt, why should i let you into
> Heaven for eternity ?" .

That is a topic for a different newsgroup.


> REPLY: I dont need to condemn some activity based on IF i have had
> first hand experience with them ; the absolute answer to whether they
> are right or not is found in 'The Manufacturers Manual' aka : The Bible
> If the Bible listed The Bilstien Flush Machine as a credible
> thing..then that would be good enough for me without even seeing one.
> If it isnt listed there, then, the next best thing would be to undergo
> an intensive investigation into it including a careful examination of
> the evidence (a detailed written explanation of how it works, pictures,
> its goal(s) , eye witness testimony, etc...). Unless i had done this,
> it would be presumptuous of me to give a relative opinion when i could
> have given a later absolute conviction as to its credibility. Hope
> that helps Matt. Dave.

And you have the manufacturer's manual for your Hyundai also. It is
called the owner's manual. Does it specify engine flushing using the
Bilstein machine? If not, then why do you think it is necessary?

I have investigated what I saw published about the Bilstein machine. It
is simply an unnecessary gimmick, just like so many others designed to
separate people from their money. Things such as transmission flushing
machines, oil additives, etc.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I'
>
> REPLY: Glad to hear that Matt. So, if you were to die very
> unexpectedly tonight and stand before God immediatly, how would you
> answer the question of him asking you :" Matt, why should i let you into
> Heaven for eternity ?" .

That is a topic for a different newsgroup.


> REPLY: I dont need to condemn some activity based on IF i have had
> first hand experience with them ; the absolute answer to whether they
> are right or not is found in 'The Manufacturers Manual' aka : The Bible
> If the Bible listed The Bilstien Flush Machine as a credible
> thing..then that would be good enough for me without even seeing one.
> If it isnt listed there, then, the next best thing would be to undergo
> an intensive investigation into it including a careful examination of
> the evidence (a detailed written explanation of how it works, pictures,
> its goal(s) , eye witness testimony, etc...). Unless i had done this,
> it would be presumptuous of me to give a relative opinion when i could
> have given a later absolute conviction as to its credibility. Hope
> that helps Matt. Dave.

And you have the manufacturer's manual for your Hyundai also. It is
called the owner's manual. Does it specify engine flushing using the
Bilstein machine? If not, then why do you think it is necessary?

I have investigated what I saw published about the Bilstein machine. It
is simply an unnecessary gimmick, just like so many others designed to
separate people from their money. Things such as transmission flushing
machines, oil additives, etc.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:

> ''I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
> magic machine?
> Matt'
>
> The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
> Systems came along.
>
> What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata,
> Elantra, Taurus, etc?'
>
> REPLY: Everything. Cars have been working reasonably well for nearly
> 100 years now ; but as time marches forward and technology
> increases....there are more advantageous methods and ways which were not
> known some 100 years ago. Such is the case with preventive maintenance
> / repair techniques on modern cars versus old ones.

CDI provided demonstrable advantages. That is why car makers switched
to using them. Engine flushes don't have demonstrable advantages, that
is why no car make recommends them.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:

> ''I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
> magic machine?
> Matt'
>
> The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
> Systems came along.
>
> What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata,
> Elantra, Taurus, etc?'
>
> REPLY: Everything. Cars have been working reasonably well for nearly
> 100 years now ; but as time marches forward and technology
> increases....there are more advantageous methods and ways which were not
> known some 100 years ago. Such is the case with preventive maintenance
> / repair techniques on modern cars versus old ones.

CDI provided demonstrable advantages. That is why car makers switched
to using them. Engine flushes don't have demonstrable advantages, that
is why no car make recommends them.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:

> ''I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
> magic machine?
> Matt'
>
> The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
> Systems came along.
>
> What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata,
> Elantra, Taurus, etc?'
>
> REPLY: Everything. Cars have been working reasonably well for nearly
> 100 years now ; but as time marches forward and technology
> increases....there are more advantageous methods and ways which were not
> known some 100 years ago. Such is the case with preventive maintenance
> / repair techniques on modern cars versus old ones.

CDI provided demonstrable advantages. That is why car makers switched
to using them. Engine flushes don't have demonstrable advantages, that
is why no car make recommends them.


Matt

Brian Nystrom

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'You've got a pretty warped perspective, Dave. All it takes is a brief
> look around to see that some of the most immoral people on the planet
> also claim to be very religious. Religion has been used to justify some
> of the most heinously immoral acts in history.'
>
> REPLY: I beg to differ with you on 'my warped perspective' . And...i
> wish i had a nickel for everytime i hear this common anti-God rhetoric ;
> heres the deal : Many things are done in the name of religion or God ,
> but that doesnt mean that they ARE OF GOD . (And i have no doubt you
> already knew this fact quite well). The Founders of this Nation
> definitively agreed that it was the Christian God and the Christian
> Bible and Godly Principles , morals, and ethics...that would best serve
> AMerica for generations to come -- surely not secular humanism and the
> ever changing cultural whims of today. A close look at secular humanism
> reveals all the social ills and vices we have before us today ; the
> biggest atrocity being over 1,000,000 developing human beings in the
> 'mothers' womb being brutally ripped out due to the desire to hide the
> guilt, shame, and inconvenience of a fling gone wrong ; and countless
> supporters of this who could care less.
>
> 'Religious belief is not a prerequisite for morality, nor is it a
> guarantee of it. Conversely, lack of religious belief does not portend
> immorality or hedonism.'
>
> REPLY: Firm religious beliefs followed by action to obedience most
> certainly should lead to a moral way of living if one sees him/herself
> as a special creation of a personal Almighty Creator which affords
> dignity and great value . Conversely, firm religious belief that one
> is nothing more than a distant relative of a one celled pond protozoa
> who accidentally found himself swimming in literal Pond Scum and
> (impossibly) graduated to a 206 bone human being with a brain
> informational capacity far surpassing any Computer 'created' by man so
> he can do as he wishes without any ultimate accountability .... is the
> perfect recipe for immoral hedonism and other forms of willful
> suppression to ones moral conscience which accomodates his
> self-serving/narcissitic agenda . Alduous Huxley , Evolutionist , said
> it best :" I didnt reject the Creator based on a lack of
> evidence...rather, it was due to my sexual mores" .
>
> 'You sound like just another typical intolerant religious zealot. '
>
> REPLY: Please dont expect me to be tolerant to anti-god philosophies
> which have brought irrepairable ruin to this country ; if George
> Washington and the Boys were here today, they would have voted to cast
> you out to Singapore for some serious desenitization to following the
> decadent American culture of today.
>
> 'You may believe that you're part of the solution, but people like you
> are actually the major source of the problem.'
>
> REPLY: We are only 'a part of the problem' when it comes to being a fly
> in your liberal agenda . The Countrys Founders are too, since they
> vehemently spoke out against your form of religion.
>
> 'Who was it who said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto
> you"? '
>
> REPLY: His name is Jesus Christ , whom the Founding Fathers loved and
> honored in addition to nearly all the Founders of the Sciences ,
> countless Generals, Presidents, Scholars, Law Professors, and
> 'allegedly' 90% of current Americans according to a fairly recent George
> Barna Poll (although you see most of them out on the golf course on a
> Sunday morning or waking up with someone new, instead of in a corporate
> worship environment giving rightful praise to God). By the way, Jesus
> never espoused tolerance toward degradation and a decadent culture...in
> fact, he exposed it and the Bible calls us to do the same. Did you know
> Jesus literally threw out thieves and swindlers for desecrating a holy
> place ?
>
> 'If you don't want other people's beliefs imposed on you, don't impose
> yours upon them. Pretty simple, eh?'
>
> REPLY: Sounds so nice and sweet ...however, its been this kind of
> complacency and apathy toward the twisted view of 'tolerance' which has
> sunk America into the moral sewer. With no return . Jesus said when you
> see someone going down the wrong path in life, to show them their error
> so they can hopefully get back on the correct path. To do otherwise
> (which todays twisted tolerance philosophy is) is to show you dont
> really care about the person nor the repercussions which come from
> his/her actions... both for the individual and for society as a whole.
>
> 'If more people followed that principle and adopted the "live and let
> live" credo, there'd be a lot less strife in this world.'
>
> REPLY: More and more people have followed this tolerance credo over
> the last few decades...so today we have your credo expanded to the
> following : 45,000,000 americans with genital herpes, 5,500,000 new
> cases per year of Human Papoloid Virus (the precursor to cervical cancer
> in women) , 33 circulating STD's of which nearly all are permanent for
> life, countless misled Americans thinking traditional marriage is of
> the 'dark ages' , the growing acceptance that two men making love with
> each others feces and demanding the populus recognize their behavior as
> a perfectly acceptable lifestyle, 4400 developing human beings/day
> being sucked into a nearby sink while 'the mother' watches from 3 feet
> away (Americas own Haulocaust) , multitudes being brainwashed into
> thinking they can do whatever they desire because of moral relativism
> (just so long as others practice absolute morality toward them ) , a
> growing flagrant disregard for others possesions, et al, ad nauseum.
> Isnt Tolerant-ism just dandy ?
>
> 'Can we go back to talking about cars now? '
>
> REPLY: Sure ; I drive a 2002 Hyundai SUV which arrived at my local
> Dealership purely by accidental collisions upon collisions , over a very
> long period of time, matter, and natural laws . All without any
> personal intelligent input , I might add.

I should have figured you'd just spew all this nonsensical rhetoric.
Typical. Well, at least you're doing more to alienate people from your
cause than to convert them, so there will fewer zealots like you in the
future.

Brian Nystrom

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'You've got a pretty warped perspective, Dave. All it takes is a brief
> look around to see that some of the most immoral people on the planet
> also claim to be very religious. Religion has been used to justify some
> of the most heinously immoral acts in history.'
>
> REPLY: I beg to differ with you on 'my warped perspective' . And...i
> wish i had a nickel for everytime i hear this common anti-God rhetoric ;
> heres the deal : Many things are done in the name of religion or God ,
> but that doesnt mean that they ARE OF GOD . (And i have no doubt you
> already knew this fact quite well). The Founders of this Nation
> definitively agreed that it was the Christian God and the Christian
> Bible and Godly Principles , morals, and ethics...that would best serve
> AMerica for generations to come -- surely not secular humanism and the
> ever changing cultural whims of today. A close look at secular humanism
> reveals all the social ills and vices we have before us today ; the
> biggest atrocity being over 1,000,000 developing human beings in the
> 'mothers' womb being brutally ripped out due to the desire to hide the
> guilt, shame, and inconvenience of a fling gone wrong ; and countless
> supporters of this who could care less.
>
> 'Religious belief is not a prerequisite for morality, nor is it a
> guarantee of it. Conversely, lack of religious belief does not portend
> immorality or hedonism.'
>
> REPLY: Firm religious beliefs followed by action to obedience most
> certainly should lead to a moral way of living if one sees him/herself
> as a special creation of a personal Almighty Creator which affords
> dignity and great value . Conversely, firm religious belief that one
> is nothing more than a distant relative of a one celled pond protozoa
> who accidentally found himself swimming in literal Pond Scum and
> (impossibly) graduated to a 206 bone human being with a brain
> informational capacity far surpassing any Computer 'created' by man so
> he can do as he wishes without any ultimate accountability .... is the
> perfect recipe for immoral hedonism and other forms of willful
> suppression to ones moral conscience which accomodates his
> self-serving/narcissitic agenda . Alduous Huxley , Evolutionist , said
> it best :" I didnt reject the Creator based on a lack of
> evidence...rather, it was due to my sexual mores" .
>
> 'You sound like just another typical intolerant religious zealot. '
>
> REPLY: Please dont expect me to be tolerant to anti-god philosophies
> which have brought irrepairable ruin to this country ; if George
> Washington and the Boys were here today, they would have voted to cast
> you out to Singapore for some serious desenitization to following the
> decadent American culture of today.
>
> 'You may believe that you're part of the solution, but people like you
> are actually the major source of the problem.'
>
> REPLY: We are only 'a part of the problem' when it comes to being a fly
> in your liberal agenda . The Countrys Founders are too, since they
> vehemently spoke out against your form of religion.
>
> 'Who was it who said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto
> you"? '
>
> REPLY: His name is Jesus Christ , whom the Founding Fathers loved and
> honored in addition to nearly all the Founders of the Sciences ,
> countless Generals, Presidents, Scholars, Law Professors, and
> 'allegedly' 90% of current Americans according to a fairly recent George
> Barna Poll (although you see most of them out on the golf course on a
> Sunday morning or waking up with someone new, instead of in a corporate
> worship environment giving rightful praise to God). By the way, Jesus
> never espoused tolerance toward degradation and a decadent culture...in
> fact, he exposed it and the Bible calls us to do the same. Did you know
> Jesus literally threw out thieves and swindlers for desecrating a holy
> place ?
>
> 'If you don't want other people's beliefs imposed on you, don't impose
> yours upon them. Pretty simple, eh?'
>
> REPLY: Sounds so nice and sweet ...however, its been this kind of
> complacency and apathy toward the twisted view of 'tolerance' which has
> sunk America into the moral sewer. With no return . Jesus said when you
> see someone going down the wrong path in life, to show them their error
> so they can hopefully get back on the correct path. To do otherwise
> (which todays twisted tolerance philosophy is) is to show you dont
> really care about the person nor the repercussions which come from
> his/her actions... both for the individual and for society as a whole.
>
> 'If more people followed that principle and adopted the "live and let
> live" credo, there'd be a lot less strife in this world.'
>
> REPLY: More and more people have followed this tolerance credo over
> the last few decades...so today we have your credo expanded to the
> following : 45,000,000 americans with genital herpes, 5,500,000 new
> cases per year of Human Papoloid Virus (the precursor to cervical cancer
> in women) , 33 circulating STD's of which nearly all are permanent for
> life, countless misled Americans thinking traditional marriage is of
> the 'dark ages' , the growing acceptance that two men making love with
> each others feces and demanding the populus recognize their behavior as
> a perfectly acceptable lifestyle, 4400 developing human beings/day
> being sucked into a nearby sink while 'the mother' watches from 3 feet
> away (Americas own Haulocaust) , multitudes being brainwashed into
> thinking they can do whatever they desire because of moral relativism
> (just so long as others practice absolute morality toward them ) , a
> growing flagrant disregard for others possesions, et al, ad nauseum.
> Isnt Tolerant-ism just dandy ?
>
> 'Can we go back to talking about cars now? '
>
> REPLY: Sure ; I drive a 2002 Hyundai SUV which arrived at my local
> Dealership purely by accidental collisions upon collisions , over a very
> long period of time, matter, and natural laws . All without any
> personal intelligent input , I might add.

I should have figured you'd just spew all this nonsensical rhetoric.
Typical. Well, at least you're doing more to alienate people from your
cause than to convert them, so there will fewer zealots like you in the
future.