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92-95 TURBO RED CIVIC vs. RED Supercharged SUNFIRE on 401 W to DVP..WHERE ARE YOU??

Old 02-01-2007, 06:34 PM
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92-95 TURBO RED CIVIC vs. RED Supercharged SUNFIRE on 401 W to DVP..WHERE ARE YOU??

If your on this website. I just want to say I couldnt race you properly because my girl wouldnt let me. But Ill admit, I never race on the streets but the way you were pacing me made me want to show off the pride in domestic 4 bangers!

Dont worry peeps I respect all cars unlike alot of people on here, and that was an amazing race. i just really wish I know what your car had in it. It took me one race to know you were boosted, I hope you knew I was boosted

1999 Pontiac Sunfire Gt
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if we raced properly...it would be different story, but I was a half car length ahead of you.
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dude, you have a blown twincam sunfire, at 5 pounds of boost your making like 190 hp, your not beating anything with it, a turbo civic will pump a blown j body hands down. sorry to be the barrer of bad news but unless youve got a bunch of supporting mods done to the car you wont get anything better than a mid 14 at maybe 96 mph. the gm blower is the biggest waste of money ever.

and uh, good race?
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supercharging a small motor like that gets u DICK....well for the most part with some exceptions. and at yes at 5psi ur makin 190hp to the flywheel and bout 150 to the wheels
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yup guys on the j body boards arent seeing any gains. and come summer time your heatsoaking that poor little turd of a blower. the money you spent on the blower could have built you a nice turbo kit, would have made you about 250 whp reliably still, would have been intercooled aswell
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Judge, I understand the limitations of the GM SC but regardless I still bought it. My brothers got the complete opposite of me; a turboed sunfire (eco 10psi) and he always rapes the out of my car. Of course, I enjoy driving my car especially the noise it makes and dont intend to go anywhere near 250+hp however. Im sure my car is capable of making 225hp and at least runing a 14.0 flat on the 1/4 with proper tuning, etc. Once I get there Ill be happy, and hopefully have something efficient and reliable. I have already spent way to much in mods but Ill admit to me to sound of WHINE! is ten times better then the sound of a BOV. check this out....
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by the way, why do you think Im so curious to see what that civic had (trust me I know what my car is capable of) we both kept up with each other (his bov was as loud as ****).
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thing is the 2.4 liter blowzilla blower is much much louder than the little m45 paper weight

thing is that turbo civic could have had a ricer bov for all you know, could have been running a small amount of boost and just had a loud bov, the list is endless.

personally heres what id do if i were you and if i was gonna keep the blower.

meth injection is your friend, its a liquid intercooler and you wont heat soak that little thing as bad as you will with just hot air getting in there. secondly the smaller the pulley the better, do some math and figure out the crank pulley vs blower pulley to see what will bring that thing over 10 pounds. nothing at 5 pounds produces any amount of power, hell under 10 pounds you wont see big gains but youll get more of a pwoer gain from 5 to 10 pounds than you will from no boost to 5 pounds in thatthing. so see if you can squeek over pounds out of it. i cant remember off the top of my head where the m45 just becomes a hair drier but 10 pounds should still be plenty safe for it to produce power. exhaust system is a biggie aswell, the more air you get in the more you need to get out. some tuning and you might have a worth while combination. other than that your not getting much from 5 pounds especially on hot days.

now your other option is to make a bigger blower work, the m62 that the eco charger kit comes with would be anice addition but unless im wrogn its part of the manifold. maybe tracking down an m62 from something and making it fit should be in your future mods. an m90 just wotn fit unless youput it where the ac junk sits and use that part of the belt to drive it. the only other thing you might be interested in is twin charging. you get the whine, you get the power of the turbo and your all set. the only downside with a twincharge setup it again that your hot air gets cooled by the intercooler but then reheated by the blower. but again meth injection can help fix this.

dont spray the car, the blowers dont like spray running through them, the seals dry up.

but a meth kit should be the number 1 thing for you to look at, your computer will compensate and up the timing on its own when it notices the meth going to work, also itll allow you to run more boost

hope that helps, personally id just twin charge
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Judge, thanks for your insights. Meth is definetely a must which is why I wont touch the pulley until I get it. When I do, I plan on getting a 2.7 or a 2.6 which should get me at around 8-10psi. Although you mentioned getting a larger exhaust; I understand that a motor needs to get air in and out faster, but I hope you know you lose boost like that. Twin charging is definetely an option and alot of people do it on the MINI Cooper forums (they have m45's on the S Cooper) however Im trying to accomplish something by at least making this M45 blower as efficient as possible, and possibly getting a good track time with it. By the way i hope you know the Mini Cooper S is an SOHC and its got an M45, there are guys on those forums pushing 13.5 1/4 miles.

Nonetheless, one thing you havent mentioned is weight reduction which I really plan on undertaking.

Ive compiled a list that'll likely shave 300lbs off my car, add a pair of drag radials, meth, and 2.7 pulley (and if I have the money get a 10:1 compression ratio). Trust me, ill be in the high 13's.
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high 13's is fine and dandy, for 3500 i built a complete turbo kit for my car including fuel system and exhaust and with no traction through the first 2 gears on a stock isuzu tranny and remaned clutch, meaning iwas very easy on the car i pulled a 13.9 at 104 out of it, on a stock motor, car had a 13.5 in it if i hadnt puked the tranny that day. nto bad considering i had literally launched the car a handful of times before the track day.

the only reasoin youll find a boost drop on the blown motor with a larger exhaust is because your getting rid of a bottleneck in the system. you can be feeding the car 20 pounds of boost but if it cant get out itll just cost you power. you might drop 2 pounds of boost but i guarantee youll pick up hp, and with the drop in boost you run a smaller pulley and gain it back

boost isnt everything, its all about airflow. look at it this way, my buddy has an srt4, on a stock turbo at 19 pounds he made 260 whp with supporting mods and a stage 2, with his ball bearing gt38 baby eater untuned he made 430 whp at the same amount of boost. all about airflow man.

also one other thing you can look into is getting the blower ported.

weight reduction is nice too but no one wants to drive in a tin can. i drove my car tin canned for the longest time and i tell ya, i enjoy being able to have a conversation whie driving on the hiway without having to yell. ive done my share of weight reduction aswell but its all things you cant see and that wont really affect day to day use of the car, well some, lol
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by the way, why do you think Im so curious to see what that civic had (trust me I know what my car is capable of) we both kept up with each other (his bov was as loud as ****).[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that the civic you raced is just a sohc turbo or a Ls turbo. A gsr or a type-r would probably beat you N/A.
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Judge, im completely aware of cfm lol, but thanks for trying. There are other ways of making a car fast, I guess in terms of boost theres only so much the M45 could take but someone has to break the record and prove that a J can do 250 with it!

In terms of sound deandeaning, there are some products out there that you can actually spray on the body of the car (probably add less then 5 lbs) which will completely deaden it, who says Im gutting the carpet anyway. There is a way to lose 227lbs without touching anything that weigh's less than 5lbs.

And Gtown...

"I'm pretty sure that the civic you raced is just a sohc turbo or a Ls turbo. A gsr or a type-r would probably beat you N/A"

Sunfire GT N/A
150hp
167 lbs.
Comp. 9.5
Weight 2800lbs

Sunfire SC
190 hp
200 lbs/ft
Comp. ratio 12.73:1
Weight 2900

Final Compression ratio with SC

FCR= [(boost/14.7) + 1] CR
(5psi/14.7) + 1) 9.5
Comp. Ratio= 12.73:1

LS
140hp
125 lbs
Comp. 10.0:1
Weight 2640

Type R
195hp a 8000RPM<----------- ILL BE GONE BY THEN!!!
130lbs
Comp. 10.6:1
Weight 2577

*******************MY POINT**************
Type R, WILL NOT SMOKE ME. Will definetely keep up because of its weight, high comp., and vtec however, is that enough to say it will beat me? I love it dearly


And Gtown69 your full of IGNORANCE! And please, pull your head out of your ***, im sure after all the f*ck*ng you had in there...its not as tight as you think!
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Originally Posted by samgrandam

And Gtown...

"I'm pretty sure that the civic you raced is just a sohc turbo or a Ls turbo. A gsr or a type-r would probably beat you N/A"

Sunfire GT N/A
150hp
167 lbs.
Comp. 9.5
Weight 2800lbs

Sunfire SC
190 hp
200 lbs/ft
Comp. ratio 12.73:1
Weight 2900

Final Compression ratio with SC

FCR= [(boost/14.7) + 1] CR
(5psi/14.7) + 1) 9.5
Comp. Ratio= 12.73:1

LS
140hp
125 lbs
Comp. 10.0:1
Weight 2640

Type R
195hp a 8000RPM<----------- ILL BE GONE BY THEN!!!
130lbs
Comp. 10.6:1
Weight 2577

*******************MY POINT**************
Type R, WILL NOT SMOKE ME. Will definetely keep up because of its weight, high comp., and vtec however, is that enough to say it will beat me? I love it dearly


And Gtown69 your full of IGNORANCE! And please, pull your head out of your ***, im sure after all the f*ck*ng you had in there...its not as tight as you think!

A civic with a Type-r would beat you.(not an integra) usually civics with 170-180whp run high 13s. You can get that by just adding a chip and exaust to a Type-r. So why is it so hard to believe it could beat you N/A.
So what are you trying to say? That theres no way a sohc or Ls turbo civic can beat you. Oh and if you're so cocky and confident than just pm me and i'll set you up with some winter races. We'll start off with you racing my 14s acura cl-s which would probably beat you too.

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stck twincam motor makes 155 lb ft, not sure where you found 167 but its 150 hp and 155 tq.

i was just trying to heklp you understand a few things thats all

250 hp with just the blower is gonna be tough, your gonna have to push the limits of it and run a bunch of supporting mods aswell otherwise you wont touch 250. but good luck none the less.

pm me you ideas for weight reduction and ill throw you a few aswell. i was also stating that ripping out carpeting seats and sound dedoning mat isnt all its cracked out to be
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Just be at St. Thomas this summer, I drive a red sunfire with a white hood and white wheels very hard to miss. And Judge, heres what i got so far:

Weight Reduction List lbs

ABS 9
AC Comp 21.5
AC Cond. 8
Airbag 13.5
Bumper Reinforcement Rear20
Catback 15
Battery 10
Back seat and Buckles 33.5
Fiberglass hood 10
Spare tire and Jack 34.5
Floor Mats 3
Glovebox 3
Rear Side panels 6
Wheels 40
Total
227

EXTRA Stuff before the track!

Passenger Seat 35
Front Bumper Reinforcement 20
Door Panels 16
Total
298

GTOWN, i never talk with ignorance or arrogance, in fact I accept and praise whatever car beats me and im always curious to know what it has however, when someone like you comes on and makes a statement like you did, especially the one about a N/A (stock) LS beating me, how else do you think Ill respond?

Ive owned a B18A in a teggi and that car was just crap. Timing belt snaps and the whole car was toast (not to mention the amount of times my balljoint snap, screwing up the axles and fenders); I dont understand why everyone thinks you can make reliable horsepower out of those cars without seriously getting the internals and drivetrain changed (there just like any other). And once we start changing internals, how is it still a honda or a pontiac, etc.?

The only true horsepower I think you can make from a car without changing internals are from the 6bolt DSM's, Bulletproof Cooper S's, etc. My car isnt made for boost, and when I change the internals I might invest in a turbo but for now im sticking to my 5-10psi....And an Acura Cl-S? your kidding right. Ill race your boat today!......................jks. Im sure your car is worthy of watever, you never know im always around, ill take you on when I see you.

Sorry for making three posts, keep forgetting stuff to add.

Judge, heres the link where I got all my info. I guess if I did more research the info would be more credible (they screwed up the weight of our cars and the comp ratio (says 9.4 instead of 9.5).

p.s. with the weight reduction list, most of the measurements are compiled from other members off the org.

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Originally Posted by samgrandam
Just be at St. Thomas this summer, I drive a red sunfire with a white hood and white wheels very hard to miss. And Judge, heres what i got so far:

Weight Reduction List lbs

ABS 9
AC Comp 21.5
AC Cond. 8
Airbag 13.5
Bumper Reinforcement Rear20
Catback 15
Battery 10
Back seat and Buckles 33.5
Fiberglass hood 10
Spare tire and Jack 34.5
Floor Mats 3
Glovebox 3
Rear Side panels 6
Wheels 40
Total
227

EXTRA Stuff before the track!

Passenger Seat 35
Front Bumper Reinforcement 20
Door Panels 16
Total
298

GTOWN, i never talk with ignorance or arrogance, in fact I accept and praise whatever car beats me and im always curious to know what it has however, when someone like you comes on and makes a statement like you did, especially the one about a N/A (stock) LS beating me, how else do you think Ill respond?

Ive owned a B18A in a teggi and that car was just crap. Timing belt snaps and the whole car was toast (not to mention the amount of times my balljoint snap, screwing up the axles and fenders); I dont understand why everyone thinks you can make reliable horsepower out of those cars without seriously getting the internals and drivetrain changed (there just like any other). And once we start changing internals, how is it still a honda or a pontiac, etc.?

The only true horsepower I think you can make from a car without changing internals are from the 6bolt DSM's, Bulletproof Cooper S's, etc. My car isnt made for boost, and when I change the internals I might invest in a turbo but for now im sticking to my 5-10psi....And an Acura Cl-S? your kidding right. Ill race your boat today!......................jks. Im sure your car is worthy of watever, you never know im always around, ill take you on when I see you.

Sorry for making three posts, keep forgetting stuff to add.

Judge, heres the link where I got all my info. I guess if I did more research the info would be more credible (they screwed up the weight of our cars and the comp ratio (says 9.4 instead of 9.5).

p.s. with the weight reduction list, most of the measurements are compiled from other members off the org.

1999 Pontiac Sunfire - Features & Specs - Engines & Performance - MSN Autos
buddy plz ur gonna be lucky if u break into the 14s with ur car
and yes gtown69 is right a Type R or Gsr or even Sir in a hatch will blow ur doors off soo hard ur gonna wish u had them welded on. yes ur being very inovative tryin something new and i give u credit for trying but dont think ur car is something it is not. Your car can and will make power if u use some of the ideas judgeZ gave u.


and for the record the Acura TL will FIST u down the track
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GTOWN, i never talk with ignorance or arrogance, in fact I accept and praise whatever car beats me and im always curious to know what it has however, when someone like you comes on and makes a statement like you did, especially the one about a N/A (stock) LS beating me, how else do you think Ill respond?

Ive owned a B18A in a teggi and that car was just crap. Timing belt snaps and the whole car was toast (not to mention the amount of times my balljoint snap, screwing up the axles and fenders); I dont understand why everyone thinks you can make reliable horsepower out of those cars without seriously getting the internals and drivetrain changed (there just like any other). And once we start changing internals, how is it still a honda or a pontiac, etc.?

The only true horsepower I think you can make from a car without changing internals are from the 6bolt DSM's, Bulletproof Cooper S's, etc. My car isnt made for boost, and when I change the internals I might invest in a turbo but for now im sticking to my 5-10psi....And an Acura Cl-S? your kidding right. Ill race your boat today!......................jks. Im sure your car is worthy of watever, you never know im always around, ill take you on when I see you.

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I never said a stock Ls in a civic could beat you. A stock Type-r in a civic could those.
Oh and the Acura isn't slow. I beat a 350z, srt-4, and many other cars that should have beaten me. Even if you did beat me it wouldn't be by much. maybe by a car or something if that.
Just for the record the srt-4 did beat me from 60 and on but i beat it from a stand point.
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