The Cobalt SS is no more...
04-23-2006, 08:21 PM
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1sykcord are you blind? fit and finish is better ,quality of interior materials and overall refinement. Not bad for its first year of production. There is a HUGE difference. Your just too into honda to admit anything and you really dont want to hear it. They are also selling well ESP the pursuit. I was wathcing speedvison and they were talking about the G6 only thing they commented on was a flimsy trunk panel 
, they also mentioned it was priced higher then toyotas of the same entry level. "people arent used to paying more for a pontiac then a toyota , but in this case were going to make an exeption". Finally americans are getting respect from magazines.
, they also mentioned it was priced higher then toyotas of the same entry level. "people arent used to paying more for a pontiac then a toyota , but in this case were going to make an exeption". Finally americans are getting respect from magazines.
04-23-2006, 08:24 PM
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My company built the new assembly lines at GM for the Cobalt. I didn't say it wasn't a different platform, but look at them. be honest with yourself, GM really didn't spend any money in design of the car. really man just look.
Car And Driver (but we all know there paid by the Japanese automakers to say this)
The Cobalt is a good example of the problem with benchmarking. Built on the same architecture as the hapless Ion, GM's engineers were allocated the funds to fix the Ion's faults and match the best cars of the segment. Success! The Cobalt delivers a driving experience much like that of the discontinued fourth-generation Jetta. The Cobalt is quiet at speed and refined in its ride motions, and it has a comfortable and inviting interior, precise build quality, and a sturdy, quake-free structure. But the arrival of a new Jetta means the world has moved on and the Cobalt will not compete with its key target. No one celebrates the second person to run a four-minute mile.
Car And Driver (but we all know there paid by the Japanese automakers to say this)
The Cobalt is a good example of the problem with benchmarking. Built on the same architecture as the hapless Ion, GM's engineers were allocated the funds to fix the Ion's faults and match the best cars of the segment. Success! The Cobalt delivers a driving experience much like that of the discontinued fourth-generation Jetta. The Cobalt is quiet at speed and refined in its ride motions, and it has a comfortable and inviting interior, precise build quality, and a sturdy, quake-free structure. But the arrival of a new Jetta means the world has moved on and the Cobalt will not compete with its key target. No one celebrates the second person to run a four-minute mile.
04-23-2006, 08:33 PM
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OK man forget it, You win. LOL the cobalt is the pinacale of automotive engineering. we all bowe to its automotive excellents. Its another Saturn ION ahahahahaha. when you going to realize GM has never made anything innovative.
04-23-2006, 08:33 PM
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http://www.automedia.com/2006/Chevro...ts20051001cc/3
"these new Chevy Cobalts are not only competitive with the best in their class, but they are actually better than most—all because those dedicated engineers got their 150 wishes"
The engineering team's orders from GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz and small car Vehicle Line Executive Lori Queen was to design and develop the best car in its class. Really! "We wanted to bring a credible small car back to Chevy in a really big way," Queen says. The team drew up a wish list of 150 components, systems and attributes necessary to achieve that—and was surprised and thrilled to see their wishes granted.
"We benchmarked all our competitors," Queen relates. "We had to lead in NVH [noise, vibration and harshness] and achieve best-in-class body gaps. The 150-point list was a sort of Holy Grail on which the engineers focused their attention. There truly were no compromises." Examples include premium materials such as Quiet Steel laminated sheetmetal (seldom found in the small-car segment), cast-in-place foam mats, hydraulic bushings, acoustic insulation and electric power steering tuned for each available suspension/tire combination.
GM's robust Delta architecture, updated and improved over the original Saturn ION's, is the foundation for Cobalt's surprisingly solid feel. Its stiff structure (with a bending frequency of nearly 27 Hz) allowed engineers to tune the strut-type front and semi-independent torsion-beam rear suspension (with long wheel travel and direct-acting components) with no need to compromise for chassis flex. Uncommon in Cobalt's price range, front and rear stabilizer bars come standard, and speed-sensitive electric power steering is tuned to match the performance level of each model.
The Standard engine is GM's robust and lively 145-hp, 2.2-liter DOHC, 16-valve Ecotec four with twin counter-rotating balance shafts and electronic throttle control. Numerous long-life and zero-maintenance features, including GM's Oil Life System (GMOLS) and a stainless steel exhaust system to reduce the cost of ownership also come standard. Except for oil and filter changes, no routine maintenance is needed, and those filter changes are greatly eased by an innovative cast-in housing that eliminates throwaway filter cans and the need to crawl under the car.
"these new Chevy Cobalts are not only competitive with the best in their class, but they are actually better than most—all because those dedicated engineers got their 150 wishes"
The engineering team's orders from GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz and small car Vehicle Line Executive Lori Queen was to design and develop the best car in its class. Really! "We wanted to bring a credible small car back to Chevy in a really big way," Queen says. The team drew up a wish list of 150 components, systems and attributes necessary to achieve that—and was surprised and thrilled to see their wishes granted.
"We benchmarked all our competitors," Queen relates. "We had to lead in NVH [noise, vibration and harshness] and achieve best-in-class body gaps. The 150-point list was a sort of Holy Grail on which the engineers focused their attention. There truly were no compromises." Examples include premium materials such as Quiet Steel laminated sheetmetal (seldom found in the small-car segment), cast-in-place foam mats, hydraulic bushings, acoustic insulation and electric power steering tuned for each available suspension/tire combination.
GM's robust Delta architecture, updated and improved over the original Saturn ION's, is the foundation for Cobalt's surprisingly solid feel. Its stiff structure (with a bending frequency of nearly 27 Hz) allowed engineers to tune the strut-type front and semi-independent torsion-beam rear suspension (with long wheel travel and direct-acting components) with no need to compromise for chassis flex. Uncommon in Cobalt's price range, front and rear stabilizer bars come standard, and speed-sensitive electric power steering is tuned to match the performance level of each model.
The Standard engine is GM's robust and lively 145-hp, 2.2-liter DOHC, 16-valve Ecotec four with twin counter-rotating balance shafts and electronic throttle control. Numerous long-life and zero-maintenance features, including GM's Oil Life System (GMOLS) and a stainless steel exhaust system to reduce the cost of ownership also come standard. Except for oil and filter changes, no routine maintenance is needed, and those filter changes are greatly eased by an innovative cast-in housing that eliminates throwaway filter cans and the need to crawl under the car.
04-23-2006, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 1sykcord
I've only had 2 and a stock 1998 Z24 can NOT beat a stock 1998 Civic Si. wanna put your money where your mouth is??? My nephews still got his 98 civic. he'll race. Can you find a Z24 to race against? Its your turn. . .
Oh yea, are you blind???? Look at the 2 ****ing cars man. you can't be that hard in denial man. common man thats like me sayin the 96-98 civic aren't the same as the 99-01 civic.
Oh yea, are you blind???? Look at the 2 ****ing cars man. you can't be that hard in denial man. common man thats like me sayin the 96-98 civic aren't the same as the 99-01 civic.
bring on your nephews pos civic si. that thing is ****in heap. i can hang with sir's, so wtf can an si do. nothing. the rep was an idiot.
04-23-2006, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 1sykcord
. Its another Saturn ION ahahahahaha. when you going to realize GM has never made anything innovative.
A totally comment of sure idiotcy , is that what you say when you have run out of arguments? MORE and more hondas are being built in north america and I can wait till they start running into problems because of the way north americans work
Gm has been very innovative and made some of the first all aluminum engines. Go have a look see. Search on wikipidea and look up the lists of "firsts" in the automotive indistry hardly any are japanese most are euro as well as american. Japanese can't think for themselves and if every other continent on the planet disapeared they would run out of ideas and follow the demise.
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04-23-2006, 08:44 PM
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My 1990 Mazda 626 had a stainless steel exhaust from the factory. My car right now made in 1998 doesn't need spark plugs changed for 150,000km Whats your point? GM is making cars that are less expensive to maintain is innovation?
*Just on a note, I mean no personal offence to anyone, I'm just having fun and pointing out another point of view. So happy arguing!!!***
*Just on a note, I mean no personal offence to anyone, I'm just having fun and pointing out another point of view. So happy arguing!!!***
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04-23-2006, 08:55 PM
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Your mazda has that because of ford funding 
.. Never said a entry level econemy car was innovative but it sure is built well. Much better then its older brother. American companys were one of the firsts to do everything. You can thank henry ford for many things.
.. Never said a entry level econemy car was innovative but it sure is built well. Much better then its older brother. American companys were one of the firsts to do everything. You can thank henry ford for many things.
04-23-2006, 10:22 PM
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i dont get why do u keep saying that basing cobalt on Saturn ION is a bad thing.For once it looks better then any Honda out there. Its funny how much fuss honda made with 2006 civic, yet new ION came out before and it looks much better...
04-24-2006, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Nastyzed
Your mazda has that because of ford funding .. Never said a entry level econemy car was innovative but it sure is built well. Much better then its older brother. American companys were one of the firsts to do everything. You can thank henry ford for many things.
.. Never said a entry level econemy car was innovative but it sure is built well. Much better then its older brother. American companys were one of the firsts to do everything. You can thank henry ford for many things.My 1990 Mazda was built in japan and had nothing to do with Ford. Yes there were some that were assembled here in 1990, but mine was fully assembled and built in Japan. Research is key to any good discussion,
