Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<vcae20lp940eo0u26mum037kotgga13jeu@4ax.com>. ..
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:04:53 GMT, y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >George Macdonald wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:10:49 -0600, "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart $2.89
> >>>ea.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well it depends on which Fram part you're talking about but Honda has some
> >> say in the specs for materials and build. See
> >> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml for comparisons of
> >> several of the old style filters - the Honda version has a larger inlet
> >> hole area and more filter media than the Frams. That said, I refuse to buy
> >> the Fram-made Honda filters; if the dealer can't or won't get the Filtech
> >> versions, I use Purolator Pure Ones.
> >
> >I really don't trust the Fram - even with Honda's stricter requirements.
> >The cardboard endcaps and cheezy bypass valve. I'd use a Champion Labs
> >filter before that. Champion Labs produce for different brands,
> >including Mobil 1, Champ, ACDelco (some but not all), Bosch, STP/Deutch,
> >and Tech2000 (Wal-Mart house brand).
>
> Watch out for some of the rebranded filters like Bosch, STP, Wallyworld -
> some of them have switched to off-shore junk fairly recently, see
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml

Of course. I haven't seen any changes in the filters I get for my
family's cars yet. I know what the design looks like, and look for
the country of origin.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<vcae20lp940eo0u26mum037kotgga13jeu@4ax.com>. ..
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:04:53 GMT, y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >George Macdonald wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:10:49 -0600, "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart $2.89
> >>>ea.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well it depends on which Fram part you're talking about but Honda has some
> >> say in the specs for materials and build. See
> >> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml for comparisons of
> >> several of the old style filters - the Honda version has a larger inlet
> >> hole area and more filter media than the Frams. That said, I refuse to buy
> >> the Fram-made Honda filters; if the dealer can't or won't get the Filtech
> >> versions, I use Purolator Pure Ones.
> >
> >I really don't trust the Fram - even with Honda's stricter requirements.
> >The cardboard endcaps and cheezy bypass valve. I'd use a Champion Labs
> >filter before that. Champion Labs produce for different brands,
> >including Mobil 1, Champ, ACDelco (some but not all), Bosch, STP/Deutch,
> >and Tech2000 (Wal-Mart house brand).
>
> Watch out for some of the rebranded filters like Bosch, STP, Wallyworld -
> some of them have switched to off-shore junk fairly recently, see
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml

Of course. I haven't seen any changes in the filters I get for my
family's cars yet. I know what the design looks like, and look for
the country of origin.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:<vcae20lp940eo0u26mum037kotgga13jeu@4ax.com>. ..
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:04:53 GMT, y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >George Macdonald wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:10:49 -0600, "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart $2.89
> >>>ea.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well it depends on which Fram part you're talking about but Honda has some
> >> say in the specs for materials and build. See
> >> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml for comparisons of
> >> several of the old style filters - the Honda version has a larger inlet
> >> hole area and more filter media than the Frams. That said, I refuse to buy
> >> the Fram-made Honda filters; if the dealer can't or won't get the Filtech
> >> versions, I use Purolator Pure Ones.
> >
> >I really don't trust the Fram - even with Honda's stricter requirements.
> >The cardboard endcaps and cheezy bypass valve. I'd use a Champion Labs
> >filter before that. Champion Labs produce for different brands,
> >including Mobil 1, Champ, ACDelco (some but not all), Bosch, STP/Deutch,
> >and Tech2000 (Wal-Mart house brand).
>
> Watch out for some of the rebranded filters like Bosch, STP, Wallyworld -
> some of them have switched to off-shore junk fairly recently, see
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml

Of course. I haven't seen any changes in the filters I get for my
family's cars yet. I know what the design looks like, and look for
the country of origin.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

In article <102ff0gt6no8bc7@corp.supernews.com>,
John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
>> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
>
>Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
>the Pilot.

The Acura SLX and Isuzu Oasis are other examples of Honda / Isuzu rebadging.

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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

In article <102ff0gt6no8bc7@corp.supernews.com>,
John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
>> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
>
>Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
>the Pilot.

The Acura SLX and Isuzu Oasis are other examples of Honda / Isuzu rebadging.

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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

In article <102ff0gt6no8bc7@corp.supernews.com>,
John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
>> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
>
>Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
>the Pilot.

The Acura SLX and Isuzu Oasis are other examples of Honda / Isuzu rebadging.

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Timothy J. Lee
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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

In article <102ff0gt6no8bc7@corp.supernews.com>,
John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
>> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
>
>Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
>the Pilot.

The Acura SLX and Isuzu Oasis are other examples of Honda / Isuzu rebadging.

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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> spake unto the masses in
news:BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org:

>
> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that
> putting a Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing
> murder against your engine.


I'm one of the few that thinks FRAM turns out a damn fine product, so long
as they have to work to Honda's requirments.


>
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the
> only oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a
> '96 Honda (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out
> past the gasket onto the road).


If the bypass "failed", then the element was clogged and the bypass valve
was probably plugged up as well. How long was the filter in place for?

FRAM bypass valves as used on the Honda filters are pretty much foolproof.
Very simple and durable.
http://www.tegger.com/honda_filter_comparo.html

>
> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure
> with a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil
> filter?


Good question!! DOCUMENTED answers anybody?

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Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> spake unto the masses in
news:BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org:

>
> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that
> putting a Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing
> murder against your engine.


I'm one of the few that thinks FRAM turns out a damn fine product, so long
as they have to work to Honda's requirments.


>
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the
> only oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a
> '96 Honda (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out
> past the gasket onto the road).


If the bypass "failed", then the element was clogged and the bypass valve
was probably plugged up as well. How long was the filter in place for?

FRAM bypass valves as used on the Honda filters are pretty much foolproof.
Very simple and durable.
http://www.tegger.com/honda_filter_comparo.html

>
> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure
> with a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil
> filter?


Good question!! DOCUMENTED answers anybody?

--
TeGGeR®

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> spake unto the masses in
news:BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org:

>
> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that
> putting a Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing
> murder against your engine.


I'm one of the few that thinks FRAM turns out a damn fine product, so long
as they have to work to Honda's requirments.


>
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the
> only oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a
> '96 Honda (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out
> past the gasket onto the road).


If the bypass "failed", then the element was clogged and the bypass valve
was probably plugged up as well. How long was the filter in place for?

FRAM bypass valves as used on the Honda filters are pretty much foolproof.
Very simple and durable.
http://www.tegger.com/honda_filter_comparo.html

>
> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure
> with a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil
> filter?


Good question!! DOCUMENTED answers anybody?

--
TeGGeR®

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> spake unto the masses in
news:BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org:

>
> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that
> putting a Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing
> murder against your engine.


I'm one of the few that thinks FRAM turns out a damn fine product, so long
as they have to work to Honda's requirments.


>
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the
> only oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a
> '96 Honda (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out
> past the gasket onto the road).


If the bypass "failed", then the element was clogged and the bypass valve
was probably plugged up as well. How long was the filter in place for?

FRAM bypass valves as used on the Honda filters are pretty much foolproof.
Very simple and durable.
http://www.tegger.com/honda_filter_comparo.html

>
> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure
> with a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil
> filter?


Good question!! DOCUMENTED answers anybody?

--
TeGGeR®

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
>engine.
>
>In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
>oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
>(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
>onto the road).
>
>I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
>a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Well, it wasn't failure, but after several weeks of Minnesota winter
inactivity, my '98 Altima would exhibit several seconds of chain
rattle when started with a Fram filter. Switched to an A/C Delco and
the noise went away.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
>engine.
>
>In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
>oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
>(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
>onto the road).
>
>I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
>a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Well, it wasn't failure, but after several weeks of Minnesota winter
inactivity, my '98 Altima would exhibit several seconds of chain
rattle when started with a Fram filter. Switched to an A/C Delco and
the noise went away.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
>engine.
>
>In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
>oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
>(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
>onto the road).
>
>I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
>a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Well, it wasn't failure, but after several weeks of Minnesota winter
inactivity, my '98 Altima would exhibit several seconds of chain
rattle when started with a Fram filter. Switched to an A/C Delco and
the noise went away.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
>engine.
>
>In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
>oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
>(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
>onto the road).
>
>I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
>a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Well, it wasn't failure, but after several weeks of Minnesota winter
inactivity, my '98 Altima would exhibit several seconds of chain
rattle when started with a Fram filter. Switched to an A/C Delco and
the noise went away.