Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
>> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
>
>Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
>the Pilot.
>
>I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
>because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
>paperwork?
>
Or the other way around.....going to a Pontiac dealer and buying a
Toyota (Martix) instead of normal Pontiac junk...

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
>> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
>
>Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
>the Pilot.
>
>I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
>because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
>paperwork?
>
Or the other way around.....going to a Pontiac dealer and buying a
Toyota (Martix) instead of normal Pontiac junk...

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
>> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
>
>Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
>the Pilot.
>
>I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
>because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
>paperwork?
>
Or the other way around.....going to a Pontiac dealer and buying a
Toyota (Martix) instead of normal Pontiac junk...

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe
>> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX.
>
>Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building
>the Pilot.
>
>I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just
>because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda
>paperwork?
>
Or the other way around.....going to a Pontiac dealer and buying a
Toyota (Martix) instead of normal Pontiac junk...

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
> "Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> > news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
> >
> >> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
> >> $2.89 ea.
> >
> >
> > Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> > and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
> >
> > Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> > products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
> >
> > The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> > iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> > decades.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
> >
> >
>
> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
> Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
> engine.
>
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
> oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
> (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
> onto the road).
>
> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
> a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Not personally. However - I'd just say that opening one up and seeing
the "quality" of construction and materials can have an impact on
whether or not one decides to use a Fram oil filter.

That being said, I do remember the recall of Fram motorcycle filters.
They mounted the threads too far away from the gasket, such that it
would only spin on about two threads deep. The filter shot off of
several motorcycles, and there may have been injuries or death as
a result. There have also been reports about the cardboard endcaps
of Fram oil filters collapsing in VW Corrado engines under the
stress of the supercharger.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
> "Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> > news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
> >
> >> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
> >> $2.89 ea.
> >
> >
> > Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> > and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
> >
> > Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> > products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
> >
> > The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> > iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> > decades.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
> >
> >
>
> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
> Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
> engine.
>
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
> oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
> (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
> onto the road).
>
> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
> a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Not personally. However - I'd just say that opening one up and seeing
the "quality" of construction and materials can have an impact on
whether or not one decides to use a Fram oil filter.

That being said, I do remember the recall of Fram motorcycle filters.
They mounted the threads too far away from the gasket, such that it
would only spin on about two threads deep. The filter shot off of
several motorcycles, and there may have been injuries or death as
a result. There have also been reports about the cardboard endcaps
of Fram oil filters collapsing in VW Corrado engines under the
stress of the supercharger.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
> "Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> > news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
> >
> >> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
> >> $2.89 ea.
> >
> >
> > Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> > and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
> >
> > Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> > products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
> >
> > The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> > iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> > decades.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
> >
> >
>
> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
> Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
> engine.
>
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
> oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
> (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
> onto the road).
>
> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
> a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Not personally. However - I'd just say that opening one up and seeing
the "quality" of construction and materials can have an impact on
whether or not one decides to use a Fram oil filter.

That being said, I do remember the recall of Fram motorcycle filters.
They mounted the threads too far away from the gasket, such that it
would only spin on about two threads deep. The filter shot off of
several motorcycles, and there may have been injuries or death as
a result. There have also been reports about the cardboard endcaps
of Fram oil filters collapsing in VW Corrado engines under the
stress of the supercharger.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
> "Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
> > news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
> >
> >> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
> >> $2.89 ea.
> >
> >
> > Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
> > and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
> >
> > Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
> > products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
> >
> > The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
> > iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
> > decades.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
> >
> >
>
> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
> Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
> engine.
>
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
> oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
> (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
> onto the road).
>
> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
> a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Not personally. However - I'd just say that opening one up and seeing
the "quality" of construction and materials can have an impact on
whether or not one decides to use a Fram oil filter.

That being said, I do remember the recall of Fram motorcycle filters.
They mounted the threads too far away from the gasket, such that it
would only spin on about two threads deep. The filter shot off of
several motorcycles, and there may have been injuries or death as
a result. There have also been reports about the cardboard endcaps
of Fram oil filters collapsing in VW Corrado engines under the
stress of the supercharger.

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow"
<sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote:

>
>"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
>news:8gce20ti1up8eorrktovkilrcbqbj5nveh@4ax.com.. .
>
>>
>> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to
>> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the
>> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day.
>
>Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments. :(
>
>$85.33USD (shipping in)
>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN
>
>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%)

Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you
really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out
cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of
apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts?

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow"
<sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote:

>
>"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
>news:8gce20ti1up8eorrktovkilrcbqbj5nveh@4ax.com.. .
>
>>
>> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to
>> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the
>> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day.
>
>Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments. :(
>
>$85.33USD (shipping in)
>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN
>
>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%)

Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you
really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out
cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of
apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts?

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow"
<sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote:

>
>"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
>news:8gce20ti1up8eorrktovkilrcbqbj5nveh@4ax.com.. .
>
>>
>> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to
>> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the
>> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day.
>
>Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments. :(
>
>$85.33USD (shipping in)
>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN
>
>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%)

Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you
really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out
cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of
apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts?

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow"
<sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote:

>
>"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
>news:8gce20ti1up8eorrktovkilrcbqbj5nveh@4ax.com.. .
>
>>
>> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to
>> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the
>> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day.
>
>Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments. :(
>
>$85.33USD (shipping in)
>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN
>
>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%)

Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you
really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out
cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of
apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts?

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:23:42 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:

>On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
>"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
>> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>>
>>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>>> $2.89 ea.
>>
>>
>> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
>> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>>
>> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
>> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>>
>> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
>> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
>> decades.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>>
>>
>
>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
>engine.
>
>In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
>oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
>(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
>onto the road).
>
>I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
>a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Check the Extra Guard here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html
and the comments here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt
both linked from http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

Note the Extra Guard filter element colapsed and clogged oil passages -
can't get much worse.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:23:42 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:

>On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
>"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
>> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>>
>>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>>> $2.89 ea.
>>
>>
>> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
>> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>>
>> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
>> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>>
>> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
>> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
>> decades.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>>
>>
>
>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
>engine.
>
>In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
>oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
>(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
>onto the road).
>
>I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
>a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Check the Extra Guard here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html
and the comments here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt
both linked from http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

Note the Extra Guard filter element colapsed and clogged oil passages -
can't get much worse.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
 

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:23:42 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:

>On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
>"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in
>> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net:
>>
>>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
>>> $2.89 ea.
>>
>>
>> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda
>> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts.
>>
>> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM
>> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products.
>>
>> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where
>> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many
>> decades.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj
>>
>>
>
>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your
>engine.
>
>In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only
>oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda
>(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket
>onto the road).
>
>I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with
>a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter?

Check the Extra Guard here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html
and the comments here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt
both linked from http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

Note the Extra Guard filter element colapsed and clogged oil passages -
can't get much worse.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??