Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On 18 Aug 2007 15:11:31 GMT
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

> you need to immobilize the car so they can't drive it off;meaning a
> fuel cutoff or removal of a critical part like the ECU,and the alarm
> is just to tell you they have gotten INTO the car and may be removing
> your stereo,air bags,seats,or other parts. Then you need a GUN to
> safely 'detain' them until police arrive,which can be a long wait.In
> some states it's legal to shoot the thieves,especially if they move
> towards you.
>

If you do shoot them, though, make sure they are dead. The
investigation goes much quicker when there is only one side to the
story. And having a decent sized folding knife to put in their hands
once they are down couldn't hurt, either...

Even the new Hondas can be stolen, by a pro, without much problem. But
it does take a little longer now, and the kiddies can't do it...


--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481

"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..."
- Danny, American History X

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On 18 Aug 2007 22:01:59 GMT
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

>
> Many dogs were "gentle as kittens",up to the day they attacked small
> children or adults and killed them. Even family members.
> There's no telling what will set off a dog.
> It could be a innocent movement,a smell you have on you,a noise you
> make.
>

That's just plain bullshit. Not only have I been around dogs in the
family my whole life, but also volunteered at a local SPCA. In the two
years there, along with the rest of my life, I have never come across a
dog that was "gentle as a kitten" until they "snapped". Attacks come
from one of two conditions: Either a provoked animal (even the tamest
dog will revert to self defense when threatened enough) or an abused
animal (think pit bulls, trained for fighting, or a Golden that is
beaten daily).

Owner negligence is often the root cause. If a dog hops a fence and
bites a kid, the owner is negligent. The fence was insufficient to keep
the animal in.

Even the "fighting breeds" are quite capable of being very tame, lovable
animals. Some of the nicest dogs I have been around were Pits and
Rotts. They were from clean stock (not bred from attack or fighting
parents) and brought up in loving homes.

Dogs generally look at people as higher than them in the social order,
and make every effort to please.

Cats, on the other hand, do not like you, and are waiting for you to die
so they can eat your eyeballs... ;-)


--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481

"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..."
- Danny, American History X

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On 18 Aug 2007 22:01:59 GMT
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

>
> Many dogs were "gentle as kittens",up to the day they attacked small
> children or adults and killed them. Even family members.
> There's no telling what will set off a dog.
> It could be a innocent movement,a smell you have on you,a noise you
> make.
>

That's just plain bullshit. Not only have I been around dogs in the
family my whole life, but also volunteered at a local SPCA. In the two
years there, along with the rest of my life, I have never come across a
dog that was "gentle as a kitten" until they "snapped". Attacks come
from one of two conditions: Either a provoked animal (even the tamest
dog will revert to self defense when threatened enough) or an abused
animal (think pit bulls, trained for fighting, or a Golden that is
beaten daily).

Owner negligence is often the root cause. If a dog hops a fence and
bites a kid, the owner is negligent. The fence was insufficient to keep
the animal in.

Even the "fighting breeds" are quite capable of being very tame, lovable
animals. Some of the nicest dogs I have been around were Pits and
Rotts. They were from clean stock (not bred from attack or fighting
parents) and brought up in loving homes.

Dogs generally look at people as higher than them in the social order,
and make every effort to please.

Cats, on the other hand, do not like you, and are waiting for you to die
so they can eat your eyeballs... ;-)


--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481

"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..."
- Danny, American History X

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On 18 Aug 2007 22:01:59 GMT
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

>
> Many dogs were "gentle as kittens",up to the day they attacked small
> children or adults and killed them. Even family members.
> There's no telling what will set off a dog.
> It could be a innocent movement,a smell you have on you,a noise you
> make.
>

That's just plain bullshit. Not only have I been around dogs in the
family my whole life, but also volunteered at a local SPCA. In the two
years there, along with the rest of my life, I have never come across a
dog that was "gentle as a kitten" until they "snapped". Attacks come
from one of two conditions: Either a provoked animal (even the tamest
dog will revert to self defense when threatened enough) or an abused
animal (think pit bulls, trained for fighting, or a Golden that is
beaten daily).

Owner negligence is often the root cause. If a dog hops a fence and
bites a kid, the owner is negligent. The fence was insufficient to keep
the animal in.

Even the "fighting breeds" are quite capable of being very tame, lovable
animals. Some of the nicest dogs I have been around were Pits and
Rotts. They were from clean stock (not bred from attack or fighting
parents) and brought up in loving homes.

Dogs generally look at people as higher than them in the social order,
and make every effort to please.

Cats, on the other hand, do not like you, and are waiting for you to die
so they can eat your eyeballs... ;-)


--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481

"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..."
- Danny, American History X

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

> And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>
> On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing a
> real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

> And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>
> On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing a
> real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

> And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>
> On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing a
> real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

Hachiroku wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm. I don't want the
expense of installing a real alarm, but I want something.
_______________________________________________

"Josh S" wrote:

You need an engine disabler. Alarms just disturb others.
_______________________________________________

You could install an engine enabler. Insert a normally
open pushbutton switch in the line from the ignition
switch to the starter solenoid. Mount the new switch
in some inconspicuous place such as under the dash.

You will have to press the pushbutton while turning the
key to the start position to start the car. Unless a
car thief knows about the pushbutton, he can't start
the car by breaking the key lock. He can't even start
the car if you leave the keys in the ignition.

Good luck.

Rodan.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

Hachiroku wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm. I don't want the
expense of installing a real alarm, but I want something.
_______________________________________________

"Josh S" wrote:

You need an engine disabler. Alarms just disturb others.
_______________________________________________

You could install an engine enabler. Insert a normally
open pushbutton switch in the line from the ignition
switch to the starter solenoid. Mount the new switch
in some inconspicuous place such as under the dash.

You will have to press the pushbutton while turning the
key to the start position to start the car. Unless a
car thief knows about the pushbutton, he can't start
the car by breaking the key lock. He can't even start
the car if you leave the keys in the ignition.

Good luck.

Rodan.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

Hachiroku wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm. I don't want the
expense of installing a real alarm, but I want something.
_______________________________________________

"Josh S" wrote:

You need an engine disabler. Alarms just disturb others.
_______________________________________________

You could install an engine enabler. Insert a normally
open pushbutton switch in the line from the ignition
switch to the starter solenoid. Mount the new switch
in some inconspicuous place such as under the dash.

You will have to press the pushbutton while turning the
key to the start position to start the car. Unless a
car thief knows about the pushbutton, he can't start
the car by breaking the key lock. He can't even start
the car if you leave the keys in the ignition.

Good luck.

Rodan.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:

> In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>
>> And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>>
>> On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing
>> a real alarm, but I want something.
>
> An engine disabler is what you need.
> Alarms just disturb others.


They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.

I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.

So I can run out with my baseball bat...

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:

> In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>
>> And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>>
>> On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing
>> a real alarm, but I want something.
>
> An engine disabler is what you need.
> Alarms just disturb others.


They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.

I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.

So I can run out with my baseball bat...

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:

> In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>
>> And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>>
>> On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing
>> a real alarm, but I want something.
>
> An engine disabler is what you need.
> Alarms just disturb others.


They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.

I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.

So I can run out with my baseball bat...

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On 17 Aug 2007 22:20:25 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>In article <Z9sxi.58$A57.2@trnddc04>, GoMavs <Mav@ericks.com> wrote:
>>a viper.. not the car alarm, but a real life viper...
>
>I agree. Car alarms are basically ineffective, because they false constantly
>and so they get ignored. Even if _your_ alarm is perfect, if it goes off in
>the supermarket parking lot nobody will even bother to look at the car, because
>they are all so used to false alarms all the time.
>
>BUT, a thirty-foot anaconda will definitely be a theft-stopping wonder, if not
>deterring any theft attempts in the first place. Everybody should have them.
>You could sell them with the slogan "Get your Honda An Anaconda." If you use
>that slogan, though, I want royalties.
>--scott

Plus, it will take care of any mice that get inside.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On 17 Aug 2007 22:20:25 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>In article <Z9sxi.58$A57.2@trnddc04>, GoMavs <Mav@ericks.com> wrote:
>>a viper.. not the car alarm, but a real life viper...
>
>I agree. Car alarms are basically ineffective, because they false constantly
>and so they get ignored. Even if _your_ alarm is perfect, if it goes off in
>the supermarket parking lot nobody will even bother to look at the car, because
>they are all so used to false alarms all the time.
>
>BUT, a thirty-foot anaconda will definitely be a theft-stopping wonder, if not
>deterring any theft attempts in the first place. Everybody should have them.
>You could sell them with the slogan "Get your Honda An Anaconda." If you use
>that slogan, though, I want royalties.
>--scott

Plus, it will take care of any mice that get inside.