Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

dgk wrote:
> On 17 Aug 2007 22:20:25 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>>BUT, a thirty-foot anaconda will definitely be a theft-stopping wonder, if not
>>deterring any theft attempts in the first place. Everybody should have them.
>>You could sell them with the slogan "Get your Honda An Anaconda." If you use
>>that slogan, though, I want royalties.
>>--scott
>
> Plus, it will take care of any mice that get inside.

Newfies note: this is NOT a cure for squeaks.

--
"You know the difference between cannibals and liberals?
Cannibals only eat their enemies."
-- Lyndon Baines Johnson

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:01:42 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
>>> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>>>>
>>>>On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of
>>>>installing a real alarm, but I want something.
>>>
>>>An engine disabler is what you need.
>>>Alarms just disturb others.
>>
>>
>>
>> They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.
>>
>> I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.
>>
>> So I can run out with my baseball bat...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Install a "trip" wire and run it up to your bedroom and tie the other end
> to your big toe. Keep the Glock handy, it will be a lot more effective
> than a crappy ol' bat...
>
> JT


Hey! I like how this guy thinks!

Where's Scott?

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:01:42 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
>>> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>>>>
>>>>On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of
>>>>installing a real alarm, but I want something.
>>>
>>>An engine disabler is what you need.
>>>Alarms just disturb others.
>>
>>
>>
>> They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.
>>
>> I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.
>>
>> So I can run out with my baseball bat...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Install a "trip" wire and run it up to your bedroom and tie the other end
> to your big toe. Keep the Glock handy, it will be a lot more effective
> than a crappy ol' bat...
>
> JT


Hey! I like how this guy thinks!

Where's Scott?

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:01:42 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
>>> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>>>>
>>>>On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of
>>>>installing a real alarm, but I want something.
>>>
>>>An engine disabler is what you need.
>>>Alarms just disturb others.
>>
>>
>>
>> They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.
>>
>> I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.
>>
>> So I can run out with my baseball bat...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Install a "trip" wire and run it up to your bedroom and tie the other end
> to your big toe. Keep the Glock handy, it will be a lot more effective
> than a crappy ol' bat...
>
> JT


Hey! I like how this guy thinks!

Where's Scott?

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:59:29 -0500, Say What? wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:44:45 -0500, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>
>>> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>
>>>> If these guys have guns, they're even dumber than I thought...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Considering the low incidence of Mensa members, National Merit
>>> Scholars, and successful, moderately bright folks who earn enough money
>>> to buy what they desire rather than steal it from parked cars, I would
>>> hold that thought if I were you!<g>
>>
>>
>> If they have guns for petty larceny, they're toast. We have tough gun
>> laws here, and they'll go up a long time.
>
> I don't know where "here" is for you but we have rather stringent gun laws
> in Illinois (even outside Chicago) and they are still dumb.

Mass.

>>
>> Hope the few hundred dollars they boost is worth the time. They've
>> already busted into the next door neighbor of a State Cop...he only
>> parks his cruiser outside his house 3-4 times a week...
>
> Had one moron break into a house about 3 miles from me out in the country.
> Car sitting on the driveway and he still broke in during broad daylight.
> Fought with the owner who, for some reason, didn't shoot him.
> Oh, did I mention the car in the driveway was a fully marked sheriff's
> department patrol car?


Definitely sounds like a future candidate for the Darwin Award...


>
>
>> Hmmm....what were you saying about a dearth of Mensa members...? ;)
>
>
> You have to remove YOUR mindset when you think about what the criminal
> class will do. They don't think like you and me. If they did, they most
> likely would not be criminals.
>
> Who kills somebody for a dirty look? for a pair of new Nike's? for...?
>
> See my point?


I was thinking about this while listeneing to the BBC this AM. THey were
talking about juvenile crime in Brazil.

THink of this: for every criminal that 'makes it' there are thousands that
don't, get sent to jail and get whatever they 'earned' from crime taken
away.

Then they get out and do it all over again. OK, some may live high on the
hog for a while, but sooner or later they're going to get caught and get
it all taken away again.

Jail sucks big time. Why not just get a job, never have to look over your
shoulder, and let the government take it away in taxes, anyway?

Wait a minute...I think I begin to see the incentive... ;)

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:59:29 -0500, Say What? wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:44:45 -0500, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>
>>> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>
>>>> If these guys have guns, they're even dumber than I thought...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Considering the low incidence of Mensa members, National Merit
>>> Scholars, and successful, moderately bright folks who earn enough money
>>> to buy what they desire rather than steal it from parked cars, I would
>>> hold that thought if I were you!<g>
>>
>>
>> If they have guns for petty larceny, they're toast. We have tough gun
>> laws here, and they'll go up a long time.
>
> I don't know where "here" is for you but we have rather stringent gun laws
> in Illinois (even outside Chicago) and they are still dumb.

Mass.

>>
>> Hope the few hundred dollars they boost is worth the time. They've
>> already busted into the next door neighbor of a State Cop...he only
>> parks his cruiser outside his house 3-4 times a week...
>
> Had one moron break into a house about 3 miles from me out in the country.
> Car sitting on the driveway and he still broke in during broad daylight.
> Fought with the owner who, for some reason, didn't shoot him.
> Oh, did I mention the car in the driveway was a fully marked sheriff's
> department patrol car?


Definitely sounds like a future candidate for the Darwin Award...


>
>
>> Hmmm....what were you saying about a dearth of Mensa members...? ;)
>
>
> You have to remove YOUR mindset when you think about what the criminal
> class will do. They don't think like you and me. If they did, they most
> likely would not be criminals.
>
> Who kills somebody for a dirty look? for a pair of new Nike's? for...?
>
> See my point?


I was thinking about this while listeneing to the BBC this AM. THey were
talking about juvenile crime in Brazil.

THink of this: for every criminal that 'makes it' there are thousands that
don't, get sent to jail and get whatever they 'earned' from crime taken
away.

Then they get out and do it all over again. OK, some may live high on the
hog for a while, but sooner or later they're going to get caught and get
it all taken away again.

Jail sucks big time. Why not just get a job, never have to look over your
shoulder, and let the government take it away in taxes, anyway?

Wait a minute...I think I begin to see the incentive... ;)

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:59:29 -0500, Say What? wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:44:45 -0500, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>
>>> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>
>>>> If these guys have guns, they're even dumber than I thought...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Considering the low incidence of Mensa members, National Merit
>>> Scholars, and successful, moderately bright folks who earn enough money
>>> to buy what they desire rather than steal it from parked cars, I would
>>> hold that thought if I were you!<g>
>>
>>
>> If they have guns for petty larceny, they're toast. We have tough gun
>> laws here, and they'll go up a long time.
>
> I don't know where "here" is for you but we have rather stringent gun laws
> in Illinois (even outside Chicago) and they are still dumb.

Mass.

>>
>> Hope the few hundred dollars they boost is worth the time. They've
>> already busted into the next door neighbor of a State Cop...he only
>> parks his cruiser outside his house 3-4 times a week...
>
> Had one moron break into a house about 3 miles from me out in the country.
> Car sitting on the driveway and he still broke in during broad daylight.
> Fought with the owner who, for some reason, didn't shoot him.
> Oh, did I mention the car in the driveway was a fully marked sheriff's
> department patrol car?


Definitely sounds like a future candidate for the Darwin Award...


>
>
>> Hmmm....what were you saying about a dearth of Mensa members...? ;)
>
>
> You have to remove YOUR mindset when you think about what the criminal
> class will do. They don't think like you and me. If they did, they most
> likely would not be criminals.
>
> Who kills somebody for a dirty look? for a pair of new Nike's? for...?
>
> See my point?


I was thinking about this while listeneing to the BBC this AM. THey were
talking about juvenile crime in Brazil.

THink of this: for every criminal that 'makes it' there are thousands that
don't, get sent to jail and get whatever they 'earned' from crime taken
away.

Then they get out and do it all over again. OK, some may live high on the
hog for a while, but sooner or later they're going to get caught and get
it all taken away again.

Jail sucks big time. Why not just get a job, never have to look over your
shoulder, and let the government take it away in taxes, anyway?

Wait a minute...I think I begin to see the incentive... ;)

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

>>So I can run out with my baseball bat...
>>
>>
>>
>
> But don't make the mistake of bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.


Isn't putting an alarm on a Mazda more like bringing a bazooka to a
shoving match? :-)


Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

>>So I can run out with my baseball bat...
>>
>>
>>
>
> But don't make the mistake of bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.


Isn't putting an alarm on a Mazda more like bringing a bazooka to a
shoving match? :-)


Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

>>So I can run out with my baseball bat...
>>
>>
>>
>
> But don't make the mistake of bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.


Isn't putting an alarm on a Mazda more like bringing a bazooka to a
shoving match? :-)


Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation.

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Aug 17, 9:36 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>
> On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing a
> real alarm, but I want something.
>
> Honking the horn and flashing the flashers would be good enough. I want
> the horn to 'beep', so a flasher unit and a relay or two would be good.
>
> There's two ways to set the thing up:
>
> Put something like a key switch under the fender, turn on when leaving,
> turn off when using the car.
>
> Or, a little more sophisticaed: put a switch inside the car. Now, this
> would mean triggering the 'alarm' when getting into the car, something I
> don't want to do at 1 AM when I'm leaving on my 'paper route'. So, some
> kind of delay would be good. I was thinking a capacitor between the hot
> line and the 1st relay, so the cap charges and when it reaches charged it
> triggers the relay and starts the flasher.


All I've read so far are questions about how the car owner would
switch an unidentified alarm system off and on. Since you are not
buying an off-the-shelf alarm what kind of alarm system are you
proposing. And more importantly how will the alarm be triggered by a
potential intruder.


>
> But, I need a hint what size cap to use, and how to wire it into the relay
> so that it charges before setting off the horn, maybe 20 seconds is good.
>
> Of course, we could get REAL sophisticated and use the ol' venerable 555
> timer, but that's more involved than I want to make it.
>
> Any ideas?

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Aug 17, 9:36 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>
> On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing a
> real alarm, but I want something.
>
> Honking the horn and flashing the flashers would be good enough. I want
> the horn to 'beep', so a flasher unit and a relay or two would be good.
>
> There's two ways to set the thing up:
>
> Put something like a key switch under the fender, turn on when leaving,
> turn off when using the car.
>
> Or, a little more sophisticaed: put a switch inside the car. Now, this
> would mean triggering the 'alarm' when getting into the car, something I
> don't want to do at 1 AM when I'm leaving on my 'paper route'. So, some
> kind of delay would be good. I was thinking a capacitor between the hot
> line and the 1st relay, so the cap charges and when it reaches charged it
> triggers the relay and starts the flasher.


All I've read so far are questions about how the car owner would
switch an unidentified alarm system off and on. Since you are not
buying an off-the-shelf alarm what kind of alarm system are you
proposing. And more importantly how will the alarm be triggered by a
potential intruder.


>
> But, I need a hint what size cap to use, and how to wire it into the relay
> so that it charges before setting off the horn, maybe 20 seconds is good.
>
> Of course, we could get REAL sophisticated and use the ol' venerable 555
> timer, but that's more involved than I want to make it.
>
> Any ideas?

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

On Aug 17, 9:36 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>
> On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing a
> real alarm, but I want something.
>
> Honking the horn and flashing the flashers would be good enough. I want
> the horn to 'beep', so a flasher unit and a relay or two would be good.
>
> There's two ways to set the thing up:
>
> Put something like a key switch under the fender, turn on when leaving,
> turn off when using the car.
>
> Or, a little more sophisticaed: put a switch inside the car. Now, this
> would mean triggering the 'alarm' when getting into the car, something I
> don't want to do at 1 AM when I'm leaving on my 'paper route'. So, some
> kind of delay would be good. I was thinking a capacitor between the hot
> line and the 1st relay, so the cap charges and when it reaches charged it
> triggers the relay and starts the flasher.


All I've read so far are questions about how the car owner would
switch an unidentified alarm system off and on. Since you are not
buying an off-the-shelf alarm what kind of alarm system are you
proposing. And more importantly how will the alarm be triggered by a
potential intruder.


>
> But, I need a hint what size cap to use, and how to wire it into the relay
> so that it charges before setting off the horn, maybe 20 seconds is good.
>
> Of course, we could get REAL sophisticated and use the ol' venerable 555
> timer, but that's more involved than I want to make it.
>
> Any ideas?

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:01:42 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
>>>>Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of
>>>>>installing a real alarm, but I want something.
>>>>
>>>>An engine disabler is what you need.
>>>>Alarms just disturb others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.
>>>
>>>I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.
>>>
>>>So I can run out with my baseball bat...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Install a "trip" wire and run it up to your bedroom and tie the other end
>>to your big toe. Keep the Glock handy, it will be a lot more effective
>>than a crappy ol' bat...
>>
>>JT
>
>
>
> Hey! I like how this guy thinks!
>
> Where's Scott?
>
>


I fondly remember back in the 1960's when my roomate bought a Honda 90
and was worried that someone might steal it. He actually did that for a
couple of nights though there was no Glock available. (Provided service
revolvers were locked away to prevent mischief). Quite a feat
considering that we lived on the third floor of a high rise...

JT

(Yep, the ol' Army days in DC)

Re: OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:01:42 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
>>>>Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of
>>>>>installing a real alarm, but I want something.
>>>>
>>>>An engine disabler is what you need.
>>>>Alarms just disturb others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.
>>>
>>>I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.
>>>
>>>So I can run out with my baseball bat...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Install a "trip" wire and run it up to your bedroom and tie the other end
>>to your big toe. Keep the Glock handy, it will be a lot more effective
>>than a crappy ol' bat...
>>
>>JT
>
>
>
> Hey! I like how this guy thinks!
>
> Where's Scott?
>
>


I fondly remember back in the 1960's when my roomate bought a Honda 90
and was worried that someone might steal it. He actually did that for a
couple of nights though there was no Glock available. (Provided service
revolvers were locked away to prevent mischief). Quite a feat
considering that we lived on the third floor of a high rise...

JT

(Yep, the ol' Army days in DC)