Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of them
> were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid hex
> sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't and
> would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were a
> tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the screws
> out.
>
> Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???

The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
described.

Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.

The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
they have found themselves in that position before.

There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
produce a lot of pollution.

And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
automakers.

One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
not any reduction in the price of the products.

So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.

Let them fail - they deserve it!

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Jan 25, 1:34 am, cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. !

And with the government, less MPG means more fuel taxes collected.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

<cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.

you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of foreign
made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the roads.

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers have
> found themselves in the position they are in now - even after they have
> found themselves in that position before.

again. you are full of it.
i laugh at the honda commercials where they claim their sardine can car gets
"an amazing 21mpg average"
my full size ford crown victoria gets a lousy average 24mpg, and with the
cruise set at 60mpg, it consistantly gets over 30mpg on long highway runs
with 4 adults in it.


> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles per
> gallon.
again you are full of it.
the only way a car can get 147 mpg is if the engine is turned off, and it
is falling down a very tall mountain. .

> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.

again, you are full of it.
the american people are being shafted by themselves. if they would not buy
foreign junk, there would not be any problem
>
> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was not
> any reduction in the price of the products.

now you are just plain friggin stupid.
Mexico and Canada are not "3rd world countries"

So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started to
clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.

again, you are an idiot.

the American automakers are failing because of idiots like you who would
rather buy foreign junk.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
I guess you bought junk. so live with it...
<cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of
>> them
>> were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid hex
>> sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't and
>> would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were
>> a
>> tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the screws
>> out.
>>
>> Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>
> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
> described.
>
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>
> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
> they have found themselves in that position before.
>
> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
> produce a lot of pollution.
>
> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.
>
> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
> not any reduction in the price of the products.
>
> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> Let them fail - they deserve it!

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

"Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>
> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
> roads.
>

You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

"kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> When did Canada become a 3rd world country.

Dunno, but America became a third world country on 20 January 2009.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

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<cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of
>> them
>> were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid hex
>> sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't and
>> would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were
>> a
>> tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the screws
>> out.
>>
>> Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>
> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
> described.
>
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>
> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
> they have found themselves in that position before.
>
> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
> produce a lot of pollution.
>
> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.
>
> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
> not any reduction in the price of the products.
>
> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> Let them fail - they deserve it!

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

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"Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 25, 1:34 am, cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. !

And with the government, less MPG means more fuel taxes collected.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

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"Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>
> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
> roads.
>
>> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
>> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
>> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
>> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
>> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after they
>> have found themselves in that position before.
>
> again. you are full of it.
> i laugh at the honda commercials where they claim their sardine can car
> gets "an amazing 21mpg average"
> my full size ford crown victoria gets a lousy average 24mpg, and with the
> cruise set at 60mpg, it consistantly gets over 30mpg on long highway runs
> with 4 adults in it.
>
>
>> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
>> per gallon.
> again you are full of it.
> the only way a car can get 147 mpg is if the engine is turned off, and it
> is falling down a very tall mountain. .
>
>> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
>> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
>> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
>> automakers.
>
> again, you are full of it.
> the american people are being shafted by themselves. if they would not buy
> foreign junk, there would not be any problem
>>
>> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
>> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
>> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
>> not any reduction in the price of the products.
>
> now you are just plain friggin stupid.
> Mexico and Canada are not "3rd world countries"
>
> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started to
> clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> again, you are an idiot.
>
> the American automakers are failing because of idiots like you who would
> rather buy foreign junk.
>
>
>

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

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"kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
> I guess you bought junk. so live with it...
> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of
>>> them
>>> were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid
>>> hex
>>> sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't
>>> and
>>> would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were
>>> a
>>> tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the
>>> screws
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>>
>> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
>> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
>> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
>> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
>> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
>> described.
>>
>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>>
>> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
>> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
>> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
>> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
>> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
>> they have found themselves in that position before.
>>
>> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
>> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
>> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
>> produce a lot of pollution.
>>
>> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
>> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
>> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
>> automakers.
>>
>> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
>> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
>> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
>> not any reduction in the price of the products.
>>
>> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
>> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
>> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>>
>> Let them fail - they deserve it!
>

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"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:497c82b6$0$18023$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>>
>> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
>> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
>> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
>> roads.
>>
>
> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>

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"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:497c8423$0$5484$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net...
>> When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
>
> Dunno, but America became a third world country on 20 January 2009.
>
> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Jan 25, 1:34 am, cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of them
> > were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupidhex
> > sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don'tand
> > would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were a
> > tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the screws
> > out.
>
> > Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>
> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
> described.
>
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.

And Ford, GM and Chrysler, too. A lot of these cars go well over
150,000 mi.

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon.

Evidence, please.

> The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
> they have found themselves in that position before.
>
> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
> produce a lot of pollution.

That's an electric car. http://www.zapworld.com/ And it makes plenty
of pollution when the electricity is generated.

> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.

Wrong! They have been shafted by themselves for not punishing the law-
makers who listen to lobbyists and by not speaking up for themselves.

> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
> not any reduction in the price of the products.

Really? The cost of automobiles, when adjusted for inflation, has been
pretty steady. And, today's cars have much more, like safety devices
and accessories (e.g., Ford's Sync, CD players).

> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> Let them fail - they deserve it!

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

Neither does yours.

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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> Your uninformed or misinformed comment does not deserve a reply
>
>
> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:gli46n$c52$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>> "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:497c82b6$0$18023$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>
>>> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>>>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>>>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>>>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>>>
>>> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
>>> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
>>> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
>>> roads.
>>>
>>
>> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with
>> 200,000 on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile
>> mark.
>>
>> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>>
>
>

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"Jeff" <jeff.utz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 25, 1:34 am, cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of
> > them
> > were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid hex
> > sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't and
> > would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were a
> > tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the
> > screws
> > out.
>
> > Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>
> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
> described.
>
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.

And Ford, GM and Chrysler, too. A lot of these cars go well over
150,000 mi.

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon.

Evidence, please.

> The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
> they have found themselves in that position before.
>
> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
> produce a lot of pollution.

That's an electric car. http://www.zapworld.com/ And it makes plenty
of pollution when the electricity is generated.

> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.

Wrong! They have been shafted by themselves for not punishing the law-
makers who listen to lobbyists and by not speaking up for themselves.

> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
> not any reduction in the price of the products.

Really? The cost of automobiles, when adjusted for inflation, has been
pretty steady. And, today's cars have much more, like safety devices
and accessories (e.g., Ford's Sync, CD players).

> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> Let them fail - they deserve it!