Re: Saab Complaint
 

"> Johannes, I appreciate your posts in this group over the months.
>
> In the United States, Ford Motor Company is in a world of hurt
> right now, because they 1) sold SUVs with bad tires a few years
> ago, and then 2) refused to make it right. Their sales have not
> recovered three years later, and Ford is losing court cases by
> the bunch to very angry customers who can easily establish that
> Ford knew about the problem.
>
> While Michelin makes the tires, Saab 1) made the decision to
> equip their cars with Michelins, and 2) decided to not make it
> "right" with me. I suggest further, that 3) Saab knows that these
> Michelins are a safety hazard and doesn't want to admit it; just
> like Ford did.

In the case of Ford, the tires were deficient. As much as you might
like to create a case of compensation akin to the Ford Explorer, you
won't succeed as it is an entirely different situation. Michelins are
sound top brand tires and no generic faults have been identified. It
is most likely that your blowout case was due to damage of the tire
while in use on your car, it happens to other motorists every day.
So go away!

Re: Saab Complaint
 

"> Johannes, I appreciate your posts in this group over the months.
>
> In the United States, Ford Motor Company is in a world of hurt
> right now, because they 1) sold SUVs with bad tires a few years
> ago, and then 2) refused to make it right. Their sales have not
> recovered three years later, and Ford is losing court cases by
> the bunch to very angry customers who can easily establish that
> Ford knew about the problem.
>
> While Michelin makes the tires, Saab 1) made the decision to
> equip their cars with Michelins, and 2) decided to not make it
> "right" with me. I suggest further, that 3) Saab knows that these
> Michelins are a safety hazard and doesn't want to admit it; just
> like Ford did.

In the case of Ford, the tires were deficient. As much as you might
like to create a case of compensation akin to the Ford Explorer, you
won't succeed as it is an entirely different situation. Michelins are
sound top brand tires and no generic faults have been identified. It
is most likely that your blowout case was due to damage of the tire
while in use on your car, it happens to other motorists every day.
So go away!

Re: Saab Complaint
 

milt brewster wrote:
>
[...]
>
> If you own a Saab, check into your tire situation.
>
> Out West, we need our cars. We need to NOT risk our lives when we
> experience blowouts in freeway traffic, or on extended road
> trips between cities. We need Auto manufacturers to take these
> problems seirously.
>
> That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
>
> Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> refused even to discuss it.
>
> Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> with either company ever again.

Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

milt brewster wrote:
>
[...]
>
> If you own a Saab, check into your tire situation.
>
> Out West, we need our cars. We need to NOT risk our lives when we
> experience blowouts in freeway traffic, or on extended road
> trips between cities. We need Auto manufacturers to take these
> problems seirously.
>
> That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
>
> Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> refused even to discuss it.
>
> Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> with either company ever again.

Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

>
> If you own a Saab, check into your tire situation.
>
> Out West, we need our cars. We need to NOT risk our lives when we
> experience blowouts in freeway traffic, or on extended road
> trips between cities. We need Auto manufacturers to take these
> problems seirously.
>
> That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
>
> Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> refused even to discuss it.
>
> Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> with either company ever again.

Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

>
> If you own a Saab, check into your tire situation.
>
> Out West, we need our cars. We need to NOT risk our lives when we
> experience blowouts in freeway traffic, or on extended road
> trips between cities. We need Auto manufacturers to take these
> problems seirously.
>
> That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
>
> Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> refused even to discuss it.
>
> Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> with either company ever again.

Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

Mark A wrote:
>
> >
> > If you own a Saab, check into your tire situation.
> >
> > Out West, we need our cars. We need to NOT risk our lives when we
> > experience blowouts in freeway traffic, or on extended road
> > trips between cities. We need Auto manufacturers to take these
> > problems seirously.
> >
> > That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> > cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> > people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
> >
> > Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> > Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> > refused even to discuss it.
> >
> > Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> > with either company ever again.
>
> Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

Mark A wrote:
>
> >
> > If you own a Saab, check into your tire situation.
> >
> > Out West, we need our cars. We need to NOT risk our lives when we
> > experience blowouts in freeway traffic, or on extended road
> > trips between cities. We need Auto manufacturers to take these
> > problems seirously.
> >
> > That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> > cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> > people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
> >
> > Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> > Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> > refused even to discuss it.
> >
> > Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> > with either company ever again.
>
> Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:51:08 GMT, milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> If you own a Saab, check into your tire situation.

If you own a CAR, check your tire situation. Same for bikes, tractors,
motorcycles, airplanes, space shuttles, and anything else with an
inflatable wheel/tire assembly.

> Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> refused even to discuss it.

Maybe you came across there as an overbearing prick, too.

> Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> with either company ever again.

So, when are you selling it then?

Re: Saab Complaint
 

On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:51:08 GMT, milt brewster <milt73@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> If you own a Saab, check into your tire situation.

If you own a CAR, check your tire situation. Same for bikes, tractors,
motorcycles, airplanes, space shuttles, and anything else with an
inflatable wheel/tire assembly.

> Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> refused even to discuss it.

Maybe you came across there as an overbearing prick, too.

> Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> with either company ever again.

So, when are you selling it then?

Re: Saab Complaint
 

> > That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> > cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> > people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
> >
> > Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> > Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> > refused even to discuss it.
> >
> > Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> > with either company ever again.
>
> Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

> > That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> > cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> > people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
> >
> > Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> > Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> > refused even to discuss it.
> >
> > Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> > with either company ever again.
>
> Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

Mark A wrote:
>
> "> Johannes, I appreciate your posts in this group over the months.
> >
> > In the United States, Ford Motor Company is in a world of hurt
> > right now, because they 1) sold SUVs with bad tires a few years
> > ago, and then 2) refused to make it right. Their sales have not
> > recovered three years later, and Ford is losing court cases by
> > the bunch to very angry customers who can easily establish that
> > Ford knew about the problem.
> >
> > While Michelin makes the tires, Saab 1) made the decision to
> > equip their cars with Michelins, and 2) decided to not make it
> > "right" with me. I suggest further, that 3) Saab knows that these
> > Michelins are a safety hazard and doesn't want to admit it; just
> > like Ford did.
>
> In the case of Ford, the tires were deficient. As much as you might
> like to create a case of compensation akin to the Ford Explorer, you
> won't succeed as it is an entirely different situation. Michelins are
> sound top brand tires and no generic faults have been identified. It
> is most likely that your blowout case was due to damage of the tire
> while in use on your car, it happens to other motorists every day.
> So go away!

Re: Saab Complaint
 

Mark A wrote:
>
> "> Johannes, I appreciate your posts in this group over the months.
> >
> > In the United States, Ford Motor Company is in a world of hurt
> > right now, because they 1) sold SUVs with bad tires a few years
> > ago, and then 2) refused to make it right. Their sales have not
> > recovered three years later, and Ford is losing court cases by
> > the bunch to very angry customers who can easily establish that
> > Ford knew about the problem.
> >
> > While Michelin makes the tires, Saab 1) made the decision to
> > equip their cars with Michelins, and 2) decided to not make it
> > "right" with me. I suggest further, that 3) Saab knows that these
> > Michelins are a safety hazard and doesn't want to admit it; just
> > like Ford did.
>
> In the case of Ford, the tires were deficient. As much as you might
> like to create a case of compensation akin to the Ford Explorer, you
> won't succeed as it is an entirely different situation. Michelins are
> sound top brand tires and no generic faults have been identified. It
> is most likely that your blowout case was due to damage of the tire
> while in use on your car, it happens to other motorists every day.
> So go away!

Re: Saab Complaint
 

Mark A wrote:
>
> "> Johannes, I appreciate your posts in this group over the months.
> >
> > In the United States, Ford Motor Company is in a world of hurt
> > right now, because they 1) sold SUVs with bad tires a few years
> > ago, and then 2) refused to make it right. Their sales have not
> > recovered three years later, and Ford is losing court cases by
> > the bunch to very angry customers who can easily establish that
> > Ford knew about the problem.
> >
> > While Michelin makes the tires, Saab 1) made the decision to
> > equip their cars with Michelins, and 2) decided to not make it
> > "right" with me. I suggest further, that 3) Saab knows that these
> > Michelins are a safety hazard and doesn't want to admit it; just
> > like Ford did.
>
> In the case of Ford, the tires were deficient. As much as you might
> like to create a case of compensation akin to the Ford Explorer, you
> won't succeed as it is an entirely different situation. Michelins are
> sound top brand tires and no generic faults have been identified. It
> is most likely that your blowout case was due to damage of the tire
> while in use on your car, it happens to other motorists every day.
> So go away!