Re: Saab Complaint
 

Mark A wrote:
>
> "> Johannes, I appreciate your posts in this group over the months.
> >
> > In the United States, Ford Motor Company is in a world of hurt
> > right now, because they 1) sold SUVs with bad tires a few years
> > ago, and then 2) refused to make it right. Their sales have not
> > recovered three years later, and Ford is losing court cases by
> > the bunch to very angry customers who can easily establish that
> > Ford knew about the problem.
> >
> > While Michelin makes the tires, Saab 1) made the decision to
> > equip their cars with Michelins, and 2) decided to not make it
> > "right" with me. I suggest further, that 3) Saab knows that these
> > Michelins are a safety hazard and doesn't want to admit it; just
> > like Ford did.
>
> In the case of Ford, the tires were deficient. As much as you might
> like to create a case of compensation akin to the Ford Explorer, you
> won't succeed as it is an entirely different situation. Michelins are
> sound top brand tires and no generic faults have been identified. It
> is most likely that your blowout case was due to damage of the tire
> while in use on your car, it happens to other motorists every day.
> So go away!

Re: Saab Complaint
 

Mark A wrote:
>
> > > That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> > > cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> > > people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
> > >
> > > Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> > > Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> > > refused even to discuss it.
> > >
> > > Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> > > with either company ever again.
> >
> > Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

Mark A wrote:
>
> > > That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> > > cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> > > people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
> > >
> > > Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> > > Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> > > refused even to discuss it.
> > >
> > > Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> > > with either company ever again.
> >
> > Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

"Johannes H Andersen" <johs@sizefitter.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > > That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> > > > cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> > > > people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
> > > >
> > > > Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> > > > Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> > > > refused even to discuss it.
> > > >
> > > > Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> > > > with either company ever again.
> > >
Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

"Johannes H Andersen" <johs@sizefitter.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > > That's one reason why nobody drives quirky, fun little italian
> > > > cars here in the West any more. That's one reason why lots of
> > > > people here drive boring but reliable Japanese cars here instead.
> > > >
> > > > Happy as I was with my 2000 9-3, I found that the Saab and
> > > > Michelin companies did not make things right with me. They
> > > > refused even to discuss it.
> > > >
> > > > Based on my quick, brutal experiences, I will never do business
> > > > with either company ever again.
> > >
Happiness all round then...

Re: Saab Complaint
 

Hi,
I still think the tire was under-inflated. How many times a week do you
check your car walking around it? What is the last time you checked the
air pressure and what was it? I always over-inflate about 5% on my car.
And please don't cross post. I own one Honda and 4 other cars in the
family. I don't come here to hear about Saab problem. On Star is
satellite links. In some places, it may not work. I belieeve GM owns
part of Saab. I always thought odd people buy Saab anyhow.
Tony

Mark A wrote:

> Quit cross posting this thread to the Toyota group. No one here would have
> considered buying a Saab anyway.
>
>

Re: Saab Complaint
 

Hi,
I still think the tire was under-inflated. How many times a week do you
check your car walking around it? What is the last time you checked the
air pressure and what was it? I always over-inflate about 5% on my car.
And please don't cross post. I own one Honda and 4 other cars in the
family. I don't come here to hear about Saab problem. On Star is
satellite links. In some places, it may not work. I belieeve GM owns
part of Saab. I always thought odd people buy Saab anyhow.
Tony

Mark A wrote:

> Quit cross posting this thread to the Toyota group. No one here would have
> considered buying a Saab anyway.
>
>

Re: Saab Complaint
 

"milt brewster" <milt73@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> If this is true, then Saab is really, really at fault here, in
> the same sense that Ford was at fault for the faulty Firestones
> they put on their SUVs a few years ago.

I wouldn't compare the Ford and Firestone case to your case. Ford was to
blame because they deliberately told their customers to run otherwise good
tires underinflated. They did this because they knew their Explorers were
succeptible to rollovers so they tried to reduce the center of gravity by
deflating the tires.

But then again, maybe Saab did the same. Open up your Saab's owner's manual
and check if the minimum weight index (a two digit code) as well as the
speed index (a one letter code) recommended in there match the ones on your
Michelin tires. Also, out of curiousity, what size tires do you have and
what is the recommended air pressure for that tire size for your car?

Other than that, I'm sorry for your inconvenience.

Cheers,

Pete

Re: Saab Complaint
 

"milt brewster" <milt73@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.19c3bf0af63ad0c5989db7@news.sonic.net...
> If this is true, then Saab is really, really at fault here, in
> the same sense that Ford was at fault for the faulty Firestones
> they put on their SUVs a few years ago.

I wouldn't compare the Ford and Firestone case to your case. Ford was to
blame because they deliberately told their customers to run otherwise good
tires underinflated. They did this because they knew their Explorers were
succeptible to rollovers so they tried to reduce the center of gravity by
deflating the tires.

But then again, maybe Saab did the same. Open up your Saab's owner's manual
and check if the minimum weight index (a two digit code) as well as the
speed index (a one letter code) recommended in there match the ones on your
Michelin tires. Also, out of curiousity, what size tires do you have and
what is the recommended air pressure for that tire size for your car?

Other than that, I'm sorry for your inconvenience.

Cheers,

Pete

Re: Saab Complaint
 

"milt brewster" <milt73@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> The dealer (B&B Saab in San Jose, CA) charged me $275 to install
> an original equipment replacement Michelin tire, and they took a
> day and a half. They also changed the oil in my car at the same
> time, for another $85.
>
>
> mb
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
wow, that must be some terrific oil! How much is the oil filter...about 50
bucks?

Re: Saab Complaint
 

"milt brewster" <milt73@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.19c3cca62c91dad5989dbb@news.sonic.net...
> The dealer (B&B Saab in San Jose, CA) charged me $275 to install
> an original equipment replacement Michelin tire, and they took a
> day and a half. They also changed the oil in my car at the same
> time, for another $85.
>
>
> mb
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
wow, that must be some terrific oil! How much is the oil filter...about 50
bucks?

Re: Saab Complaint
 

"milt brewster" <milt73@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.19c3cca62c91dad5989dbb@news.sonic.net...
> The dealer (B&B Saab in San Jose, CA) charged me $275 to install
> an original equipment replacement Michelin tire, and they took a
> day and a half. They also changed the oil in my car at the same
> time, for another $85.
>
>
> mb
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
wow, that must be some terrific oil! How much is the oil filter...about 50
bucks?

Re: Saab Complaint
 

"milt brewster" <milt73@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.19c3cca62c91dad5989dbb@news.sonic.net...
> The dealer (B&B Saab in San Jose, CA) charged me $275 to install
> an original equipment replacement Michelin tire, and they took a
> day and a half. They also changed the oil in my car at the same
> time, for another $85.
>
>
> mb
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
wow, that must be some terrific oil! How much is the oil filter...about 50
bucks?

Re: Saab Complaint
 

milt brewster wrote:
:: Good for you. I hope your luck continues. Nobody should have two
:: blowouts on the freeway in six months, driving a new car. Not
:: even the people in this thread who have been frankly insulting.

Hmmm.....and just how much did happen to the car, when you had the flats?
Was it still controlable? I've seen both C900 and 9000 be punctured at
around 130-140 km/h (85 mph). The driver had one hand up in the air and the
other on top of the steeringwheel - no drama at all.....

:: No, and that's my point here. The Honda Civic sells for 60% of
:: the cost of a 9-3 Saab, yet the Civic has a better safety and

Yeah right!

Cheers!

Re: Saab Complaint
 

milt brewster wrote:
:: Good for you. I hope your luck continues. Nobody should have two
:: blowouts on the freeway in six months, driving a new car. Not
:: even the people in this thread who have been frankly insulting.

Hmmm.....and just how much did happen to the car, when you had the flats?
Was it still controlable? I've seen both C900 and 9000 be punctured at
around 130-140 km/h (85 mph). The driver had one hand up in the air and the
other on top of the steeringwheel - no drama at all.....

:: No, and that's my point here. The Honda Civic sells for 60% of
:: the cost of a 9-3 Saab, yet the Civic has a better safety and

Yeah right!

Cheers!