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kuztom, what i meant to say was that as soon as the second production car rolled off the assembly line, being a ford as they were to my understanding the first motor company, the 2 wold have already been competing to see who was faster

 
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so gldwngr you didnt answer my question, if you had to allow one to stay which would it be, street racing or drunk driving? your quite anti racing so im curious to see which direction to take.

also the booth would be a good idea but at the track. regardless if you guys want to assist the racers somehow try working with them and not against them. really though all you guys are catching are the stupid kids racing in the same 3 spots over and over again or goinfr from light to light, very stupid. the guys who carry a brain have spots they can race for hours and not get harrassed at

 
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Who said anything about it being goverment owned/run??? Motoring 87, 88, 89, 90, - present (the TV show) used to hold (not sure if they still do) auto clinics just north of Yorkdale mall on a weekend yearly, they had a heap of mechanics on hand to inspect cars, make suggestions - yes it was for the general public including modded cars - but there were no probs, no tix, to cars removed off the roads, and yes cops were there to. Doesnt the ERASE program also hold free clinics and inspections (I dunno much about em other that Honda sponsores/sponsored them for PR.

Um ever hear or expansion chambers? 50+yr old idea/tech, basically they expand out like a funnel, there is no sound insulating batten there to absorb/distort/lesson sound. Some really old cool designed cars from long ago had these, they are non restrictive to air flow. Dude - I know first hand that TTC buses and such can produce deafing DB's (80+) and Im not just talking exhaust - I've been there when an inspector went around the city measuring diff sound sources from background noise on behalf of a hearing foundation and the city(s) are aware of it (the noise output)

Buddy, you are dead wrong on this one. There are maximun horsepower and maximun top speeds limits - And Im willing to bet you big bucks that there are regs for them. I know HP is meaningless but it's there or was there, somewhere there IS a reg for it, I'll find it one day. Basically if its on public roads it's regulated somewhere.

Personally I dont care about the stats cuz any death is 1 death too many - I was just asking where you get yer stats and I did meantion that I wasnt too sure what exactly I remember reading what you wrote.

Do a lil research on Yamaha and their electric assist bikes and the gov.nt about 5 yrs back made a quiet hidden deal, and you'll see that Yamaha and the Gov was caught in it and spun the facts to say it wasnt a hidden deal and then openly said that all electric assist bikes are now illegal, only certain specs are allowed, and the only manufacturer who builds those were Yamaha. Well the deal went ***** up and Yamaha couldnt supply enough, they were even to build a plant or something in north Misserysauga but it didnt happen, so the gov was embarassed and tried to keep things quiet, only recently have they made these things legal again and with new provisions and restrictions. I know cuz I used to build my own elec assisted and non assisted racing bicylces, these bastards would smoke yer ride - no word of a lie either, then one day poof, they were outlawed. Ontario is the only province to ever make them illegal, and the only province to then re-legalize em and put restrictions on em. Dude, please do some reasearch before spitting. Wanna explain to me then why yrs back the gov wouldnt allow certain ferraris and lambos into this country? around the 80's euro manufactures would not modify their rides to suit canada, hmm and why is the EVO not allowed here (or so I hear)? Just shows that you know nada bout what really goes on. I was involved in this lil know about feild and I still have a newspapper clipping of what happened, also feel free to troll in any bike forums/cycling forums/ human powed vehicle forums and you'll see all the ***** that went down - had the province's cyclist pissed

So please do tell me why cops give out tix to ppl who have adjustable ride hight suspension (air bags) saying it's illegal when loads of luxury sedans come stock with them? what do you think they ride on? (personally I know hydralics arent fit due to the fact that theres no susp travel in hydralic fluid - but you see where im goin ya?), Please tell us all why modded cars with the same tech as stock cars get nailed for things, (lights, susp, ride height, compressed gas, etc...)

Semantics, I was just making a point. I've been involved in many forms of racing and 70% of them were cart/kart series race cars that were set up identically. I dont know F1 specifically, so try formula 2000, formula 1000, etc... happy now

Well a wreckless driving/careless driving tix is nothing compared to a racing charge and all it entails, some ppl do drive like what "appears" to be inconsiderate/wreckless/careless driving all by themselves and its their choice to do so, but have 2 or more ppl driving the same on their own and as a group of cars on the road it looks like 5 or 6 cars are involved in some sort of race - wouldnt you agree?

Thats like saying - "Dont wanna get nailed for suspected druggs/guns/etc.. then stop looking like a thug/black/biker/etc..." (my appologies for any steryotypes)

Again, cops dont seem to know any more, hence why they write up way too many carless driving infractions instead of something specific (left turn not in saftey - Im I think I'll just put down carless driving), they let the courts sort it out and judges dont appreciate it. I studied law for a number of years myself and I've got loads of family/friends/friends of the family who r law enforcement/lawers/procecuters/1 judge and they hate this *****, just like emmisions tix going to traffic court - judges arnt the EPA . Cops "common sence" seems to be going out the window, cops I know arnt rookies and they have told me personally that its extreamly difficult for them to PROVE ppl are racing regardless of what their common sence tells em, again its why its hard to prove in court that a race occured even when one actually did. And would this be the same commn sence that cops use when they keep releasing known drunk drivers?, same common sence they use when telling JudgeZ not to bother calling in drunk drivers? same common sence they use when they do anything - cops are ppl just like you n me, and common sence isnt so coomon as you may think (unfortunatly)

2 cop not so common sence stories

1. I was in my buddies Iroc (heavily modded 350) out in Ottawa at a red light, along side pulls up a Vette, guy says "wanna race" my buddy says no, too many cops in this area, dude says "its ok, Im one of em," and pulls out his badge, so they made several runs

2. in Toronto, my friends friend is at the lights, guy pulls up in some car and says wanna race, buddy says nothing, he just reved his mill a bit, light turns green and unknown dude pulls hard and buddy just left the light normally, well unknown dude looked and felt stupid, then pulls buddy over and identifes himself as a cop and gave him a few tix, buddy went to court and then showed the judge a video recording (had a mini cam mounted in car) and showed everything that happened, cop was yelled at by judge for giving false testimony and wrongfull tix and buddy was released with an appology from the courts.

Yea - whole lotta common sence there eh, also shows how corupt SOME cops can be


Goldwinger - I dont appreciate yer silly lil put down at me (X files remark n such), I am not some lil younge dipshit, I talk to you nicely without smack talking ya, I would like the same, this just shows what an *** you are, guess I'll have to start talking down to
you from now on - equally as you do others, btw, nice job of redirecting questions and comments, you should try politics.



judge it's ok dude, I was just being a smart ***, but factually cars existed long before Henry ever stepped into one

 
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I never said I have that fear. Tell people put on tin foil hats for any fear then. I've personally been in situations where 4 cars including myself were driving agressively in approximately the same space so that can be considered racing? There's a huge difference in the two when it comes to penalties.

 
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I wasn't counting those instances at all.


Impaired driving.

But that's not realistic. You can't "rank" offences and focus everything only on the one deemed most important. If you take that approach, the enforcment vaccum on the "ignored" activities would cause those violations to soar overnight.

I'm just going to answer tis one, because it's a race weekend for me at the tracks and I have to get things ready so I can leave for the track this afternoon.

There are currently NO government-regulated limits on maximum horsepower or maximum speed capability. Those matters, if they exosted, would be governed by Transport canada regulations, and there are none in place. There are also none in place in the US.

The only thing that does currently exist are voluntary limits imposed by manufacturers in agreement with themselves. Those limits usually take the form of speed governers to restrict the top speed of vehicles within given vehicle classes. That limits are in place partly to mitigate manufacturer's liability exposure from cars whose speed can outstrip their suspension and aerodynamic limitations, and partly to avoid a repeat of the old horsepower wars of the 60s and 70s.

But NONE of it is because of government-imposed limitations on vehicle performance. Yet.

There's areason you can't find the government regs - like many of your other assertions, it simply does not exist.

 
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electric assisted bicycle are legal right now for like 2.5 years and they will make a final decission after that to make it legal or illegal again

 
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I would still like you to quote your source on those stats.
I`m pretty sure less than half are actually related to street racing.

You are correct on this.
I dont know where it started but the 500 hp limit is a myth that has been around for years as I said before.
If there were a restriction to 500 hp, cars like the z06 and viper that are rated at 505 hp would simply be under rated to 500.
There is no way to enforce such a restriction. It would simply cost too much money to dyno every car that is suspected of being over the limit.

Now as for the vehicle inspection thing, I would like to see this taken some place else other than the track.
Being at the track sends a bad message to people and keeps them away. Even if there is no threat of plates being pulled and fines, people dont trust the police or mto.


gldwngr. a voluntary inspection set up some where does not mean they will pull your plates if you fail.
The city of Winnipeg does this at the start of each year at a shopping mall parking lot.
You can bring your car in and they will go over it and tell you if its legal or not. No fines or plates being pulled. It is a good way to know if you are good to go or not.

 
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so gldwngr let me sak you something, how do you find the time to post on this board being a security guard and all? i mean im sure your busy patrolling parking lots and such, are you just leeching a wireles signal from the source or best buy or something while hanging out in their parking lot?

 
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can you say Rent-a-cop ?

 
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hah, hey gldwngr can you come and monitor my neighbourhood for me? ive got motion detecting surveilance cameras around my house and on all my vehicles and also a gps tracking system in my car but id still like someone to pysically sit in my driveway and ewatch my vehicles for me, what are your hourly rates?

 
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fukk, I hate it when I type ***** out and hit submitt post only to have it lost and told to register, fukkkkkk. looo, so now you get short form of what I wrote out b4


The Canadian Street Rod *** every year has across Canada inspection stations where rodders bring out their rides and have em inspected by cert mechanics, no tix or vehicles were ever pulled off the roads for this (minus some sort of chatostrophic malfunction). So why not for imports/compact cars, etc...?


Um duh, you just said there are NO government regs limits, but then in the same sentence say that if those matters existed, would be governed by Transport Canada regs. But read below and I'll prove there are regs.


Please do not confuse what I say as personal assertions, esp when you make them all the time, and Im only looking online which does not neccessarily have all the info on it from every reg, or past regs for that matter.

and there are govenors on motors to keep them from gredading due to over redlining, not cuz of susp ***** and horsepower wars

I know there are regs for diff types vehicles on the road governing max speeds and or max power output, EXAMPLES:-

1. electric assist bikes allowed maximum top speed of not more than 32Kms/hr and not more than 500Watts (I ferget the HP conversion number)
2. limited speed motorcycles allowed maximum top speed of not more than 50kms/hr (used to be 70kms/hr) must be auto tranny (exempted are 15+yr old units), not have a piston displacement of more than 50CC's. I was also shown a few yrs back when I wanted to build a custom LSVM I was shown by dealers documentation that restriced the motor - was allowed a maximum HP/KW rating, otherwise it was considered to be an off-road-use only vehicle, so I never built it (too limiting for me)
3. from [ http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/emerging/index.html#low ]

A "low-speed vehicle" means a vehicle, other than an all-terrain vehicle, a truck or a vehicle
has an attainable speed in 1.6 km of more than 32 km/h but not more than 40 km/h, on a paved level surface
meets the Technical Document 500 standards for LSVs. (This means LSVs are required to have, at minimum, such equipment as headlamps, turn signals, parking brake, windshield, seatbelts, and exterior and interior mirrors).
4. A truck driver friend of mine who wanted to mod his big rig also told me that his truck has maximum limitations for road use too
5. A friend of mine 20yrs ago was issued papers by a cop to have his street/strip Firebird tested for maximum power output because the cop believed it to exceed the regs for permitted road use. So I cannot explain this one, and my friend has long moved away from my old hood and I've lost contact with him, so unfortunatly I cant call him out on this one.

Now by odd fluke, a few days ago (b4 I ever read this thread) I was looking something up and I stumbled across something in a reg/hta/act or something somewhere that said something along the lines of this - there is a digit in the VIN numbers that tells of rated HP of that vehicle and you may NOT exceed this power rating by more than 10%. Now I wasnt specifically looking for that, it's just something I skimmed over and Im not even sure it applies to cars/light trucks, but it involves VIN numbers and max power output allowable, so what can that possibly be for???. If I find it again I'll post its whereabouts up for you all

and to be a sneeky bugger for that bet with goldwinger - all I said was
There are maximun horsepower and maximun top speeds limits - And Im willing to bet you big bucks that there are regs for them.
so ya, there are regs, I just never said for what vehicle specifically, tee hee hee


RT/Kota said There is no way to enforce such a restriction. It would simply cost too much money to dyno every car that is suspected of being over the limit.

there are loads of laws on the books that are hardly ever enforced, they are there just in case. And theres money enough to inspect suspected unsafe modded cars and tow em off the roads, well theres money enough to dyno too if they wanted to

gotta go now, and wont be back for a while, have fun kids

 
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blah blah blah... youre not only wrong, but you now sound stupid too.

most german "normal" cars are limited to 155mph as a gentlemens agreement...
there is no such thing as a vin number power rating thingy or whatever you said...
there is nothing illegal about driving a 2000hp car on the street that can exceed 300mph... as long as it meets the requirements of the hta.

 
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You can say it, but you would be quite wrong.

Still, if it makes you feel better....

 
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so are you an actually cop then? because from the people ive talked to that know who you are theyre saying your not. not that i care because you seem to have a decent amount of info to distribute but im just curious

 
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I think what I, and most of us would like, is some sort of OFFICIAL what is/isn't legal offering by law enforcement/MTO. The problem with the HTA is that there are too many grey areas when it comes to modified vehicles. How do I know when modifying my car, what guidelines to follow.

I.E. What is the legal ride height for my car?
What is considered too loud for exhausts?
What is the legal limits for tints?
It's unfortunate that most of us have to find out with a ticket.

Has all of this been left up to officer's discretion? That is my question.