Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
 

Mike Hunter wrote:

> Any time you buy a used car you are buying a vehicle that the previous
> owned
> no longer wanted. Why would anybody want to buy somebody else's problems?
> LOL

Not all used cars are "someone else's problems"...

Many people lease for 2 or 3 years, and then trade in. Many buy a new car
every 5 years, and trade in the old one. That doesn't mean there is any
problem with the old car...

Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:986dnYU7QPc4WNzbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@ptd.net...
> Any time you buy a used car you are buying a vehicle that the previous
> owned no longer wanted. Why would anybody want to buy somebody else's
> problems? LOL
>
> mike

Because he wasn't equipped to deal with the situation and I am. A tremendous
number of cars around 100K miles find themselves on the market because it's
time to change the timing belt and the owner just found out what it costs to
have it done. They want a new car and I get a great car with a brand new
timing belt for a hundred or so extra bucks (after offering $500 off because
the belt is due, and the seller feels he is still coming out ahead) and a
day's work. Life is good!

Mike

Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:986dnYU7QPc4WNzbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@ptd.net...
> Any time you buy a used car you are buying a vehicle that the previous
> owned no longer wanted. Why would anybody want to buy somebody else's
> problems? LOL
>
> mike

Because he wasn't equipped to deal with the situation and I am. A tremendous
number of cars around 100K miles find themselves on the market because it's
time to change the timing belt and the owner just found out what it costs to
have it done. They want a new car and I get a great car with a brand new
timing belt for a hundred or so extra bucks (after offering $500 off because
the belt is due, and the seller feels he is still coming out ahead) and a
day's work. Life is good!

Mike

Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:P_SdnSvD1MNRWtzbnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@ptd.net...
> Actually I know more about used cars than you will ever know. I was Group
> Sales Manager for one of the largest mega dealerships groups on the east
> cost for ten years.
>
You know about new cars of the sort you lease, and I'll grant you know a
*lot* more about that than I do. If you and I were to buy new cars or low
mileage used cars I have no doubt you would get a better deal and choose a
better car. But you don't have the foggiest how to make an older car pay
it's way. It's an entirely different world, and one in which DIY is crucial,
but within those constraints the reliability can actually be better and the
costs are much lower. Selling cars is not the same as owning them.

Mike

Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:P_SdnSvD1MNRWtzbnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@ptd.net...
> Actually I know more about used cars than you will ever know. I was Group
> Sales Manager for one of the largest mega dealerships groups on the east
> cost for ten years.
>
You know about new cars of the sort you lease, and I'll grant you know a
*lot* more about that than I do. If you and I were to buy new cars or low
mileage used cars I have no doubt you would get a better deal and choose a
better car. But you don't have the foggiest how to make an older car pay
it's way. It's an entirely different world, and one in which DIY is crucial,
but within those constraints the reliability can actually be better and the
costs are much lower. Selling cars is not the same as owning them.

Mike

Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
 

On Wed, 9 May 2007 09:08:09 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Actually I know more about used cars than you will ever know. I was Group
>Sales Manager for one of the largest mega dealerships groups on the east
>cost for ten years.
>
>Get real, the only reason anybody buys a used car is they can not afford to
>by a new car.

You are flat wrong. I could afford to buy a new car (and I have in
the past), but on the last two occasions I have decided to buy used
because it fit my needs. Just because I have the money doesn't mean I
want to spend it on a new car.

I would point out that the reverse situation is quite common. People
who can't afford a new car go out and buy them every day.

>The only reason anybody buys a high mileage used cars is they
>can not afford a later model used car, with less mileage. LOL

That is probably true generally, except for people like Pardee who can
maintain them cheaply with sweat equity. However, many people who
could afford to buy a new/newer car choose instead to maintain the car
they already own even though it may have a lot of miles on it. If it
is a high quality car (Honda or Toyota), there is a good chance it
will continue to be inexpensive to maintain and, if it does blow up,
they can always walk away from it with minimal loss. Or they can fix
it for about what they would pay in sales tax on a replacement
vehicle.



>
>Take the advice I gave you and go look at cars as they are traded, then
>again when the are on the lot for resale, and you will see what I mean by
>the statement one can never know for sure how a vehicles was used or abused
>or if it was maintained properly or not buy its previous owner(s)
>
>
>mike
>
>
>"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
>news:Q7SdnbhET8PbiNzbnZ2dnUVZ_sCinZ2d@sedona.net. ..
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:lPWdnUYNG7-TB93bnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net...
>>> Sound to me like your saying a high mileage car that you know needs lots
>>> of work in better than a newer lower mileage car that may need work
>>> someday, but the former is a better buy because it' 'cheaper.' Me thinks
>>> you would like to eat prime cut beef, but can only afford baloney LOL
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>> You're not paying attention at all. I'm saying a used car that needs
>> specific work and costs that much less for it is better than a low mileage
>> car that is an unknown. You have not the vaguest idea how to evaluate a
>> used car.
>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>

Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
 

On Wed, 9 May 2007 09:08:09 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Actually I know more about used cars than you will ever know. I was Group
>Sales Manager for one of the largest mega dealerships groups on the east
>cost for ten years.
>
>Get real, the only reason anybody buys a used car is they can not afford to
>by a new car.

You are flat wrong. I could afford to buy a new car (and I have in
the past), but on the last two occasions I have decided to buy used
because it fit my needs. Just because I have the money doesn't mean I
want to spend it on a new car.

I would point out that the reverse situation is quite common. People
who can't afford a new car go out and buy them every day.

>The only reason anybody buys a high mileage used cars is they
>can not afford a later model used car, with less mileage. LOL

That is probably true generally, except for people like Pardee who can
maintain them cheaply with sweat equity. However, many people who
could afford to buy a new/newer car choose instead to maintain the car
they already own even though it may have a lot of miles on it. If it
is a high quality car (Honda or Toyota), there is a good chance it
will continue to be inexpensive to maintain and, if it does blow up,
they can always walk away from it with minimal loss. Or they can fix
it for about what they would pay in sales tax on a replacement
vehicle.



>
>Take the advice I gave you and go look at cars as they are traded, then
>again when the are on the lot for resale, and you will see what I mean by
>the statement one can never know for sure how a vehicles was used or abused
>or if it was maintained properly or not buy its previous owner(s)
>
>
>mike
>
>
>"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
>news:Q7SdnbhET8PbiNzbnZ2dnUVZ_sCinZ2d@sedona.net. ..
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:lPWdnUYNG7-TB93bnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net...
>>> Sound to me like your saying a high mileage car that you know needs lots
>>> of work in better than a newer lower mileage car that may need work
>>> someday, but the former is a better buy because it' 'cheaper.' Me thinks
>>> you would like to eat prime cut beef, but can only afford baloney LOL
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>> You're not paying attention at all. I'm saying a used car that needs
>> specific work and costs that much less for it is better than a low mileage
>> car that is an unknown. You have not the vaguest idea how to evaluate a
>> used car.
>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>

Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
 

I know new cars and old cars as well. I know old cars cost money to keep
running, I own a 1941, 1964, 1971 and a 1983 with 100K to 300K on the
clocks. Whenever one of them needs work it costs a fortune and parts can be
a problem. I recently paid $500 for a worn out part that will need to
rebuilt at a machine shop before it can be installed. My old cars receive
the most meticulous preventive maintenance. They all look and run like new
but I would not chance a cross county trip an any one of them. LOL

Mike


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:8LCdnR7Iw5dc0N_bnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:P_SdnSvD1MNRWtzbnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@ptd.net...
>> Actually I know more about used cars than you will ever know. I was
>> Group Sales Manager for one of the largest mega dealerships groups on the
>> east cost for ten years.
>>
> You know about new cars of the sort you lease, and I'll grant you know a
> *lot* more about that than I do. If you and I were to buy new cars or low
> mileage used cars I have no doubt you would get a better deal and choose a
> better car. But you don't have the foggiest how to make an older car pay
> it's way. It's an entirely different world, and one in which DIY is
> crucial, but within those constraints the reliability can actually be
> better and the costs are much lower. Selling cars is not the same as
> owning them.
>
> Mike
>
>

Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
 

I know new cars and old cars as well. I know old cars cost money to keep
running, I own a 1941, 1964, 1971 and a 1983 with 100K to 300K on the
clocks. Whenever one of them needs work it costs a fortune and parts can be
a problem. I recently paid $500 for a worn out part that will need to
rebuilt at a machine shop before it can be installed. My old cars receive
the most meticulous preventive maintenance. They all look and run like new
but I would not chance a cross county trip an any one of them. LOL

Mike


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:8LCdnR7Iw5dc0N_bnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:P_SdnSvD1MNRWtzbnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@ptd.net...
>> Actually I know more about used cars than you will ever know. I was
>> Group Sales Manager for one of the largest mega dealerships groups on the
>> east cost for ten years.
>>
> You know about new cars of the sort you lease, and I'll grant you know a
> *lot* more about that than I do. If you and I were to buy new cars or low
> mileage used cars I have no doubt you would get a better deal and choose a
> better car. But you don't have the foggiest how to make an older car pay
> it's way. It's an entirely different world, and one in which DIY is
> crucial, but within those constraints the reliability can actually be
> better and the costs are much lower. Selling cars is not the same as
> owning them.
>
> Mike
>
>

Re: Fusion beat Camry and Accord
 

Ever notice when somebody comes into a lot of money, unexpectedly, the first
thing they do is a buy a new car? LOL


mike


"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:n0j443dc6evf8u01b55rcbfa0g4be9gjgr@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 9 May 2007 09:08:09 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>Get real, the only reason anybody buys a used car is they can not afford
>>to
>>by a new car.
>
> That is probably true generally, except for people like Pardee who can
> maintain them cheaply with sweat equity. However, many people who
> could afford to buy a new/newer car choose instead to maintain the car
> they already own even though it may have a lot of miles on it. If it
> is a high quality car (Honda or Toyota), there is a good chance it
> will continue to be inexpensive to maintain and, if it does blow up,
> they can always walk away from it with minimal loss. Or they can fix
> it for about what they would pay in sales tax on a replacement
> vehicle.
>

Re: Fusion beat Camry and Accord
 

Ever notice when somebody comes into a lot of money, unexpectedly, the first
thing they do is a buy a new car? LOL


mike


"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:n0j443dc6evf8u01b55rcbfa0g4be9gjgr@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 9 May 2007 09:08:09 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>>Get real, the only reason anybody buys a used car is they can not afford
>>to
>>by a new car.
>
> That is probably true generally, except for people like Pardee who can
> maintain them cheaply with sweat equity. However, many people who
> could afford to buy a new/newer car choose instead to maintain the car
> they already own even though it may have a lot of miles on it. If it
> is a high quality car (Honda or Toyota), there is a good chance it
> will continue to be inexpensive to maintain and, if it does blow up,
> they can always walk away from it with minimal loss. Or they can fix
> it for about what they would pay in sales tax on a replacement
> vehicle.
>

Re: Fusion beat Camry and Accord
 

On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:19:33 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Ever notice when somebody comes into a lot of money, unexpectedly, the first
>thing they do is a buy a new car? LOL

Hence the saying; easy come, easy go.

People who have worked hard for a long time to accumulate their
fortune tend to be much more frugal. I am perfectly happy to have
less than 1% of my assets in automobiles.


>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:n0j443dc6evf8u01b55rcbfa0g4be9gjgr@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 9 May 2007 09:08:09 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Get real, the only reason anybody buys a used car is they can not afford
>>>to
>>>by a new car.
>>
>> That is probably true generally, except for people like Pardee who can
>> maintain them cheaply with sweat equity. However, many people who
>> could afford to buy a new/newer car choose instead to maintain the car
>> they already own even though it may have a lot of miles on it. If it
>> is a high quality car (Honda or Toyota), there is a good chance it
>> will continue to be inexpensive to maintain and, if it does blow up,
>> they can always walk away from it with minimal loss. Or they can fix
>> it for about what they would pay in sales tax on a replacement
>> vehicle.
>>
>

Re: Fusion beat Camry and Accord
 

On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:19:33 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Ever notice when somebody comes into a lot of money, unexpectedly, the first
>thing they do is a buy a new car? LOL

Hence the saying; easy come, easy go.

People who have worked hard for a long time to accumulate their
fortune tend to be much more frugal. I am perfectly happy to have
less than 1% of my assets in automobiles.


>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:n0j443dc6evf8u01b55rcbfa0g4be9gjgr@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 9 May 2007 09:08:09 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Get real, the only reason anybody buys a used car is they can not afford
>>>to
>>>by a new car.
>>
>> That is probably true generally, except for people like Pardee who can
>> maintain them cheaply with sweat equity. However, many people who
>> could afford to buy a new/newer car choose instead to maintain the car
>> they already own even though it may have a lot of miles on it. If it
>> is a high quality car (Honda or Toyota), there is a good chance it
>> will continue to be inexpensive to maintain and, if it does blow up,
>> they can always walk away from it with minimal loss. Or they can fix
>> it for about what they would pay in sales tax on a replacement
>> vehicle.
>>
>

Re: Fusion beat Camry and Accord
 

On May 11, 12:06 am, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:19:33 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>
> <mikehu...@mailcity.com> wrote:
> >Ever notice when somebody comes into a lot of money, unexpectedly, the first
> >thing they do is a buy a new car? LOL

Spoken like a true sales droid. Mike's LOL is more like a smirk.

>
> Hence the saying; easy come, easy go.
>
> People who have worked hard for a long time to accumulate their
> fortune tend to be much more frugal. I am perfectly happy to have
> less than 1% of my assets in automobiles.
>
>
Mike can't help himself, he's still pushing crap. Wears those white
shoes, too, I suspect.

>

Re: Fusion beat Camry and Accord
 

On May 11, 12:06 am, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:19:33 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>
> <mikehu...@mailcity.com> wrote:
> >Ever notice when somebody comes into a lot of money, unexpectedly, the first
> >thing they do is a buy a new car? LOL

Spoken like a true sales droid. Mike's LOL is more like a smirk.

>
> Hence the saying; easy come, easy go.
>
> People who have worked hard for a long time to accumulate their
> fortune tend to be much more frugal. I am perfectly happy to have
> less than 1% of my assets in automobiles.
>
>
Mike can't help himself, he's still pushing crap. Wears those white
shoes, too, I suspect.

>