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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
You're entitled your own opinion. Those are just mine. If you feel the
Fusion or any other car is the car for you then go buy it. Here's the model years as best as I can recollect them. 77 Audi Fox 92 Mazda MPV 95 Mazda 323 89 Mercedes 190 E 89 Volvo 740 XLE 92 Honda Accord 87 Honda CRX 89 Honda CRX 88 Acura Integra 90 Acura Integra 94 Acura Legend Late 90's Isuzu trooper 03 Volvo S60 04 Volvo XC90 92 Mitsubishi Diamante 03 Honda Pilot 05 Honda Pilot 07 Acura RDX 05 Nissan Frontier "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message news:deSdnX-3l9ZJuKDbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@ptd.net... > What were the model years of those twenty cars? > > > mike > > "Wade" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message > news:J4Odnbdv5PEoW6HbnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Whatever. I'm going by personal experience. >> We've owned lots of other cars. The only foreign car that we had a major >> problem with was an old Audi Fox. >> 4 Acura's Only 1 problem with the Legend after a major accident. >> Insurance company insisted on using aftermarket parts for the repair. >> 1 Mercedes airbag problem which Mercedes fixed for free even though the >> car was out of warranty. >> 2 Mazda's no problems >> 3 Volvos no problems >> 6 Hondas no problems >> 1 Isuzu no problems >> 1 Mitsubishi no problems >> 1 Nissan no problems >> >> The only reason any of theses cars were traded in was because we wanted >> to. All, except for the 2 Volvos had more miles than any of the American >> cars we had. > > |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
You're entitled your own opinion. Those are just mine. If you feel the
Fusion or any other car is the car for you then go buy it. Here's the model years as best as I can recollect them. 77 Audi Fox 92 Mazda MPV 95 Mazda 323 89 Mercedes 190 E 89 Volvo 740 XLE 92 Honda Accord 87 Honda CRX 89 Honda CRX 88 Acura Integra 90 Acura Integra 94 Acura Legend Late 90's Isuzu trooper 03 Volvo S60 04 Volvo XC90 92 Mitsubishi Diamante 03 Honda Pilot 05 Honda Pilot 07 Acura RDX 05 Nissan Frontier "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message news:deSdnX-3l9ZJuKDbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@ptd.net... > What were the model years of those twenty cars? > > > mike > > "Wade" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message > news:J4Odnbdv5PEoW6HbnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Whatever. I'm going by personal experience. >> We've owned lots of other cars. The only foreign car that we had a major >> problem with was an old Audi Fox. >> 4 Acura's Only 1 problem with the Legend after a major accident. >> Insurance company insisted on using aftermarket parts for the repair. >> 1 Mercedes airbag problem which Mercedes fixed for free even though the >> car was out of warranty. >> 2 Mazda's no problems >> 3 Volvos no problems >> 6 Hondas no problems >> 1 Isuzu no problems >> 1 Mitsubishi no problems >> 1 Nissan no problems >> >> The only reason any of theses cars were traded in was because we wanted >> to. All, except for the 2 Volvos had more miles than any of the American >> cars we had. > > |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
On May 5, 1:44 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<DwightSchr...@DunderMifflin.com> wrote: > On 5 May 2007 10:05:55 -0700, isq...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > >i'm surprised toyolet > > Nothing like an intelligent comment. <G> > > And people wonder why nobody takes their comments seriously. does 08 camry come with a rear clearance sonar as standard equipment yet? those dented rear bumpers on every other one are such a shame |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
On May 5, 1:44 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<DwightSchr...@DunderMifflin.com> wrote: > On 5 May 2007 10:05:55 -0700, isq...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > >i'm surprised toyolet > > Nothing like an intelligent comment. <G> > > And people wonder why nobody takes their comments seriously. does 08 camry come with a rear clearance sonar as standard equipment yet? those dented rear bumpers on every other one are such a shame |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
Isn't that what most buyers do? I am just curious how you are so sure all
domestic cars fall apart at such low mileage and why you would cross post to a NG of a brand that you have never owned to discredit that brand? It seems you have not ever owned a domestic and that you do not even buy new cars. I have owned over seventy cars that I bought new. I currently drive an '06 domestic luxury car and an '07 domestic sports convertible. I have owned domestic, European and Japanese cars. I never had a 'bad' car among all of those cars. I discovered the only real difference among them is style and price. After owning a dozen Toyotas and Lexus cars and being taken over by the dealers I switch to the domestics I now own. Since I did so in 1999 I have saved thousands of dollars in the cost of acquiring the cars and hundreds of dollars in yearly preventive maintenance. My opinion differs from yours as does that of the majority of Americans since both GM and Ford sell million more vehicles annually in the US than does any import brand. mike "Wade" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message news:uoOdnVeRF54VwaDbnZ2dnUVZ_o2vnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > You're entitled your own opinion. Those are just mine. If you feel the > Fusion or any other car is the car for you then go buy it. > > Here's the model years as best as I can recollect them. > 77 Audi Fox > 92 Mazda MPV > 95 Mazda 323 > 89 Mercedes 190 E > 89 Volvo 740 XLE > 92 Honda Accord > 87 Honda CRX > 89 Honda CRX > 88 Acura Integra > 90 Acura Integra > 94 Acura Legend > Late 90's Isuzu trooper > 03 Volvo S60 > 04 Volvo XC90 > 92 Mitsubishi Diamante > 03 Honda Pilot > 05 Honda Pilot > 07 Acura RDX > 05 Nissan Frontier > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:deSdnX-3l9ZJuKDbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@ptd.net... >> What were the model years of those twenty cars? >> >> >> mike >> >> "Wade" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message >> news:J4Odnbdv5PEoW6HbnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> Whatever. I'm going by personal experience. >>> We've owned lots of other cars. The only foreign car that we had a major >>> problem with was an old Audi Fox. >>> 4 Acura's Only 1 problem with the Legend after a major accident. >>> Insurance company insisted on using aftermarket parts for the repair. >>> 1 Mercedes airbag problem which Mercedes fixed for free even though the >>> car was out of warranty. >>> 2 Mazda's no problems >>> 3 Volvos no problems >>> 6 Hondas no problems >>> 1 Isuzu no problems >>> 1 Mitsubishi no problems >>> 1 Nissan no problems >>> >>> The only reason any of theses cars were traded in was because we wanted >>> to. All, except for the 2 Volvos had more miles than any of the American >>> cars we had. >> >> > |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
Isn't that what most buyers do? I am just curious how you are so sure all
domestic cars fall apart at such low mileage and why you would cross post to a NG of a brand that you have never owned to discredit that brand? It seems you have not ever owned a domestic and that you do not even buy new cars. I have owned over seventy cars that I bought new. I currently drive an '06 domestic luxury car and an '07 domestic sports convertible. I have owned domestic, European and Japanese cars. I never had a 'bad' car among all of those cars. I discovered the only real difference among them is style and price. After owning a dozen Toyotas and Lexus cars and being taken over by the dealers I switch to the domestics I now own. Since I did so in 1999 I have saved thousands of dollars in the cost of acquiring the cars and hundreds of dollars in yearly preventive maintenance. My opinion differs from yours as does that of the majority of Americans since both GM and Ford sell million more vehicles annually in the US than does any import brand. mike "Wade" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message news:uoOdnVeRF54VwaDbnZ2dnUVZ_o2vnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > You're entitled your own opinion. Those are just mine. If you feel the > Fusion or any other car is the car for you then go buy it. > > Here's the model years as best as I can recollect them. > 77 Audi Fox > 92 Mazda MPV > 95 Mazda 323 > 89 Mercedes 190 E > 89 Volvo 740 XLE > 92 Honda Accord > 87 Honda CRX > 89 Honda CRX > 88 Acura Integra > 90 Acura Integra > 94 Acura Legend > Late 90's Isuzu trooper > 03 Volvo S60 > 04 Volvo XC90 > 92 Mitsubishi Diamante > 03 Honda Pilot > 05 Honda Pilot > 07 Acura RDX > 05 Nissan Frontier > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:deSdnX-3l9ZJuKDbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@ptd.net... >> What were the model years of those twenty cars? >> >> >> mike >> >> "Wade" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message >> news:J4Odnbdv5PEoW6HbnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> Whatever. I'm going by personal experience. >>> We've owned lots of other cars. The only foreign car that we had a major >>> problem with was an old Audi Fox. >>> 4 Acura's Only 1 problem with the Legend after a major accident. >>> Insurance company insisted on using aftermarket parts for the repair. >>> 1 Mercedes airbag problem which Mercedes fixed for free even though the >>> car was out of warranty. >>> 2 Mazda's no problems >>> 3 Volvos no problems >>> 6 Hondas no problems >>> 1 Isuzu no problems >>> 1 Mitsubishi no problems >>> 1 Nissan no problems >>> >>> The only reason any of theses cars were traded in was because we wanted >>> to. All, except for the 2 Volvos had more miles than any of the American >>> cars we had. >> >> > |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:UNKdnWfb9dRQgqDbnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@ptd.net... > He can't prove that by me. I own a four FMC models, a '41, '64, '71 and > '83 with 100K to 300K on the clock, that all look and run great. All > purchased new and all provided the proper preventive maintenance. Perhaps > he bought his used and did not properly maintain them, may account for his > biased opinion. > > mike Or you may be better at choosing the more reliable models. My in-laws have had a couple; an early Escort and a late 90s Tempo. The Escort was a nightmare, particularly in the engine, but the Tempo was reliable. My son had an early Taurus with a manual tranny, and it was born to cause grief. The clutch disc was only 6 inch diameter (!!!!!) and the TBI was a tutorial in how to troubleshoot weird FI problems. Did I mention the idle control that used DC to increase and AC from an inverter to decrease the idle, and how troublesome that inverter could be? At least he didn't have the AXOD auto tranny. Ford has made some good vehicles, but sometimes they didn't think about the amount of grief particular cost-cuts would make. Water pump seizures wiping out timing belts (and therefore interference engines), forward clutch pistons breaking in the tranny - those have gone a long way to tarnishing the image of the company. Save $5 or $10, spend $2000 or $4000. Ford is not alone. Late 20th century Volvos have a reputation for durability, but models from about '82 (IIRC) to '88 had problems with disintegrating wiring harnesses. Anybody who has had to replace the blower motor in any Volvo 240 will curse the name of Volvo. And those are just cars I'm familiar with. Before buying any used car, a potential buyer is wise to ask about known issues with any car he/she is planning to buy. Usenet has its faults but we can always get a straight answer out of most people. With that, there is no reason to swear off any brand. Except Mopar... don't get me started! ;-) Mike |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:UNKdnWfb9dRQgqDbnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@ptd.net... > He can't prove that by me. I own a four FMC models, a '41, '64, '71 and > '83 with 100K to 300K on the clock, that all look and run great. All > purchased new and all provided the proper preventive maintenance. Perhaps > he bought his used and did not properly maintain them, may account for his > biased opinion. > > mike Or you may be better at choosing the more reliable models. My in-laws have had a couple; an early Escort and a late 90s Tempo. The Escort was a nightmare, particularly in the engine, but the Tempo was reliable. My son had an early Taurus with a manual tranny, and it was born to cause grief. The clutch disc was only 6 inch diameter (!!!!!) and the TBI was a tutorial in how to troubleshoot weird FI problems. Did I mention the idle control that used DC to increase and AC from an inverter to decrease the idle, and how troublesome that inverter could be? At least he didn't have the AXOD auto tranny. Ford has made some good vehicles, but sometimes they didn't think about the amount of grief particular cost-cuts would make. Water pump seizures wiping out timing belts (and therefore interference engines), forward clutch pistons breaking in the tranny - those have gone a long way to tarnishing the image of the company. Save $5 or $10, spend $2000 or $4000. Ford is not alone. Late 20th century Volvos have a reputation for durability, but models from about '82 (IIRC) to '88 had problems with disintegrating wiring harnesses. Anybody who has had to replace the blower motor in any Volvo 240 will curse the name of Volvo. And those are just cars I'm familiar with. Before buying any used car, a potential buyer is wise to ask about known issues with any car he/she is planning to buy. Usenet has its faults but we can always get a straight answer out of most people. With that, there is no reason to swear off any brand. Except Mopar... don't get me started! ;-) Mike |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
How does that differ from any other brand? They all break down on occasion
that is why they all offer a warranty, even Rolls Royce. When one buys a used car they have no idea how that car was used or abused, or whether it was properly maintained, or not. It make no difference what brand name is on the hood, mike "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message news:84mdnfJL2Na3RKDbnZ2dnUVZ_uiknZ2d@sedona.net.. . > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:UNKdnWfb9dRQgqDbnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@ptd.net... >> He can't prove that by me. I own a four FMC models, a '41, '64, '71 and >> '83 with 100K to 300K on the clock, that all look and run great. All >> purchased new and all provided the proper preventive maintenance. >> Perhaps he bought his used and did not properly maintain them, may >> account for his biased opinion. >> >> mike > > Or you may be better at choosing the more reliable models. My in-laws have > had a couple; an early Escort and a late 90s Tempo. The Escort was a > nightmare, particularly in the engine, but the Tempo was reliable. My son > had an early Taurus with a manual tranny, and it was born to cause grief. > The clutch disc was only 6 inch diameter (!!!!!) and the TBI was a > tutorial in how to troubleshoot weird FI problems. Did I mention the idle > control that used DC to increase and AC from an inverter to decrease the > idle, and how troublesome that inverter could be? At least he didn't have > the AXOD auto tranny. > > Ford has made some good vehicles, but sometimes they didn't think about > the amount of grief particular cost-cuts would make. Water pump seizures > wiping out timing belts (and therefore interference engines), forward > clutch pistons breaking in the tranny - those have gone a long way to > tarnishing the image of the company. Save $5 or $10, spend $2000 or $4000. > > Ford is not alone. Late 20th century Volvos have a reputation for > durability, but models from about '82 (IIRC) to '88 had problems with > disintegrating wiring harnesses. Anybody who has had to replace the blower > motor in any Volvo 240 will curse the name of Volvo. And those are just > cars I'm familiar with. > > Before buying any used car, a potential buyer is wise to ask about known > issues with any car he/she is planning to buy. Usenet has its faults but > we can always get a straight answer out of most people. With that, there > is no reason to swear off any brand. Except Mopar... don't get me started! > ;-) > > Mike > > |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
How does that differ from any other brand? They all break down on occasion
that is why they all offer a warranty, even Rolls Royce. When one buys a used car they have no idea how that car was used or abused, or whether it was properly maintained, or not. It make no difference what brand name is on the hood, mike "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message news:84mdnfJL2Na3RKDbnZ2dnUVZ_uiknZ2d@sedona.net.. . > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:UNKdnWfb9dRQgqDbnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@ptd.net... >> He can't prove that by me. I own a four FMC models, a '41, '64, '71 and >> '83 with 100K to 300K on the clock, that all look and run great. All >> purchased new and all provided the proper preventive maintenance. >> Perhaps he bought his used and did not properly maintain them, may >> account for his biased opinion. >> >> mike > > Or you may be better at choosing the more reliable models. My in-laws have > had a couple; an early Escort and a late 90s Tempo. The Escort was a > nightmare, particularly in the engine, but the Tempo was reliable. My son > had an early Taurus with a manual tranny, and it was born to cause grief. > The clutch disc was only 6 inch diameter (!!!!!) and the TBI was a > tutorial in how to troubleshoot weird FI problems. Did I mention the idle > control that used DC to increase and AC from an inverter to decrease the > idle, and how troublesome that inverter could be? At least he didn't have > the AXOD auto tranny. > > Ford has made some good vehicles, but sometimes they didn't think about > the amount of grief particular cost-cuts would make. Water pump seizures > wiping out timing belts (and therefore interference engines), forward > clutch pistons breaking in the tranny - those have gone a long way to > tarnishing the image of the company. Save $5 or $10, spend $2000 or $4000. > > Ford is not alone. Late 20th century Volvos have a reputation for > durability, but models from about '82 (IIRC) to '88 had problems with > disintegrating wiring harnesses. Anybody who has had to replace the blower > motor in any Volvo 240 will curse the name of Volvo. And those are just > cars I'm familiar with. > > Before buying any used car, a potential buyer is wise to ask about known > issues with any car he/she is planning to buy. Usenet has its faults but > we can always get a straight answer out of most people. With that, there > is no reason to swear off any brand. Except Mopar... don't get me started! > ;-) > > Mike > > |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:gtadnbJJwOxGR6DbnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@ptd.net... > > When one buys a used car they have no idea how that car was used or > abused, or whether it was properly maintained, or not. It make no > difference what brand name is on the hood, > On that we differ - not about the brand, but the inability to determine how the car has been maintained or treated. I avoid buying used cars under 80K miles because at 50K miles it *is* hard to tell how it has lived, but at 100K it is hard to hide. If there are no known "killer" issues with that m/m/y and it passes five minutes of examination the chances of getting at least 100K miles more service out of a 100K mile car are better than getting 100K miles more out of a 50K car - at least, that's my experience. The only 100K+ car I've ever bought that didn't make it another 100K in good style was a Nissan 300ZX that I lusted after so much I ignored the warning of traces of rust in the radiator, which is a deal-breaker. The make, model and year (and power train or other options within that model and year) are huge factors in what a buyer can expect out of a car. Realistically, make is no more important than model or year in that formula. Mike |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:gtadnbJJwOxGR6DbnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@ptd.net... > > When one buys a used car they have no idea how that car was used or > abused, or whether it was properly maintained, or not. It make no > difference what brand name is on the hood, > On that we differ - not about the brand, but the inability to determine how the car has been maintained or treated. I avoid buying used cars under 80K miles because at 50K miles it *is* hard to tell how it has lived, but at 100K it is hard to hide. If there are no known "killer" issues with that m/m/y and it passes five minutes of examination the chances of getting at least 100K miles more service out of a 100K mile car are better than getting 100K miles more out of a 50K car - at least, that's my experience. The only 100K+ car I've ever bought that didn't make it another 100K in good style was a Nissan 300ZX that I lusted after so much I ignored the warning of traces of rust in the radiator, which is a deal-breaker. The make, model and year (and power train or other options within that model and year) are huge factors in what a buyer can expect out of a car. Realistically, make is no more important than model or year in that formula. Mike |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07... > But a lot of Escorts go a long ways. I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in. Ed |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07... > But a lot of Escorts go a long ways. I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in. Ed |
Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:3pGdnb103fapv6DbnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Jeff wrote: > <snip for clarity> > > jeff, again, > > 1. define "a long time". > 2. how do you account for the age profiles of vehicles in junk yards? I can show you junk yards that only have Japanese vehicles. Does that mean that Japanese vehicle are junk? Ed |
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