Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

It doesn't take much of a USENET search to see all the
badmouthing about Peak antifreeze, I guess mainly because
the brand contains phospate. People say this and that,
and repeat what others say without much thought.

I have visited the Peak site and they discuss these issues,
and what they say makes sense to me at least. People blast
Peak because of the phosphates, then turn right around and
recommend distilled water for cooling sytems (which apparently
pretty much removes any negative effect from the phospates).
The Peak site claims that some European car makers say to avoid
such antifreezes simply because Europe generally has much harder
water than the U.S....makes sense to me.

Read it for yourself: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_b.html

Maybe I'm naive, but how could they legally make the claims on this
page (http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peakanti.html) about their
standard product if it weren't fact anyway?

And yes, I changed the coolant in my German car today, and used
50/50 Prestone and distilled water, but have used Peak for years in
my cars with no problems.

--
Cliff

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

On 12 Jan 2004 16:41:48 -0800, clifffreeling@yahoo.com (Cliff
Freeling) wrote:

>Read it for yourself: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_b.html
>
>Maybe I'm naive, but how could they legally make the claims on this
>page (http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peakanti.html) about their
>standard product if it weren't fact anyway?
>
>And yes, I changed the coolant in my German car today, and used
>50/50 Prestone and distilled water, but have used Peak for years in
>my cars with no problems.

Dood, I don't know where you're "coming from", but you are screwing
up. Peak is selling BS to sell you their antifreeze. Worse than the
phosphate issue is the silicate issue. Notice they don't say much
about silicates on the Peak site. European cars need low silicate as
well as low phosphate. It's incredible that you buy that "low mineral
content in the USA vs. Europe" crap from Peak. Water is different all
across the USA, as it is in Europe.

You can get a quality, low silicate, low phosphate coolant from
Valvoline for about $9/gallon. Why screw around challenging what the
engineers who built your car recommended when you can do it right
for $5/year ?

http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

On 12 Jan 2004 16:41:48 -0800, clifffreeling@yahoo.com (Cliff
Freeling) wrote:

>Read it for yourself: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_b.html
>
>Maybe I'm naive, but how could they legally make the claims on this
>page (http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peakanti.html) about their
>standard product if it weren't fact anyway?
>
>And yes, I changed the coolant in my German car today, and used
>50/50 Prestone and distilled water, but have used Peak for years in
>my cars with no problems.

Dood, I don't know where you're "coming from", but you are screwing
up. Peak is selling BS to sell you their antifreeze. Worse than the
phosphate issue is the silicate issue. Notice they don't say much
about silicates on the Peak site. European cars need low silicate as
well as low phosphate. It's incredible that you buy that "low mineral
content in the USA vs. Europe" crap from Peak. Water is different all
across the USA, as it is in Europe.

You can get a quality, low silicate, low phosphate coolant from
Valvoline for about $9/gallon. Why screw around challenging what the
engineers who built your car recommended when you can do it right
for $5/year ?

http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

On 12 Jan 2004 16:41:48 -0800, clifffreeling@yahoo.com (Cliff
Freeling) wrote:

>Read it for yourself: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_b.html
>
>Maybe I'm naive, but how could they legally make the claims on this
>page (http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peakanti.html) about their
>standard product if it weren't fact anyway?
>
>And yes, I changed the coolant in my German car today, and used
>50/50 Prestone and distilled water, but have used Peak for years in
>my cars with no problems.

Dood, I don't know where you're "coming from", but you are screwing
up. Peak is selling BS to sell you their antifreeze. Worse than the
phosphate issue is the silicate issue. Notice they don't say much
about silicates on the Peak site. European cars need low silicate as
well as low phosphate. It's incredible that you buy that "low mineral
content in the USA vs. Europe" crap from Peak. Water is different all
across the USA, as it is in Europe.

You can get a quality, low silicate, low phosphate coolant from
Valvoline for about $9/gallon. Why screw around challenging what the
engineers who built your car recommended when you can do it right
for $5/year ?

http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

On 12 Jan 2004 16:41:48 -0800, clifffreeling@yahoo.com (Cliff
Freeling) wrote:

>Read it for yourself: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_b.html
>
>Maybe I'm naive, but how could they legally make the claims on this
>page (http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peakanti.html) about their
>standard product if it weren't fact anyway?
>
>And yes, I changed the coolant in my German car today, and used
>50/50 Prestone and distilled water, but have used Peak for years in
>my cars with no problems.

Dood, I don't know where you're "coming from", but you are screwing
up. Peak is selling BS to sell you their antifreeze. Worse than the
phosphate issue is the silicate issue. Notice they don't say much
about silicates on the Peak site. European cars need low silicate as
well as low phosphate. It's incredible that you buy that "low mineral
content in the USA vs. Europe" crap from Peak. Water is different all
across the USA, as it is in Europe.

You can get a quality, low silicate, low phosphate coolant from
Valvoline for about $9/gallon. Why screw around challenging what the
engineers who built your car recommended when you can do it right
for $5/year ?

http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which is an
abrasive. I have read from more than a few people that claim Prestone is
not the choice to use in our Honda cars and for a few dollars it isn't worth
the effort to challenge it. I am sure Honda sells a reasonably priced
antifreeze. You only need a gallon of it anyway I believe.

CaptainKrunch

"Cliff Freeling" <clifffreeling@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a0698655.0401121641.120457f@posting.google.co m...
> It doesn't take much of a USENET search to see all the
> badmouthing about Peak antifreeze, I guess mainly because
> the brand contains phospate. People say this and that,
> and repeat what others say without much thought.
>
> I have visited the Peak site and they discuss these issues,
> and what they say makes sense to me at least. People blast
> Peak because of the phosphates, then turn right around and
> recommend distilled water for cooling sytems (which apparently
> pretty much removes any negative effect from the phospates).
> The Peak site claims that some European car makers say to avoid
> such antifreezes simply because Europe generally has much harder
> water than the U.S....makes sense to me.
>
> Read it for yourself: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_b.html
>
> Maybe I'm naive, but how could they legally make the claims on this
> page (http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peakanti.html) about their
> standard product if it weren't fact anyway?
>
> And yes, I changed the coolant in my German car today, and used
> 50/50 Prestone and distilled water, but have used Peak for years in
> my cars with no problems.
>
> --
> Cliff

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which is an
abrasive. I have read from more than a few people that claim Prestone is
not the choice to use in our Honda cars and for a few dollars it isn't worth
the effort to challenge it. I am sure Honda sells a reasonably priced
antifreeze. You only need a gallon of it anyway I believe.

CaptainKrunch

"Cliff Freeling" <clifffreeling@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a0698655.0401121641.120457f@posting.google.co m...
> It doesn't take much of a USENET search to see all the
> badmouthing about Peak antifreeze, I guess mainly because
> the brand contains phospate. People say this and that,
> and repeat what others say without much thought.
>
> I have visited the Peak site and they discuss these issues,
> and what they say makes sense to me at least. People blast
> Peak because of the phosphates, then turn right around and
> recommend distilled water for cooling sytems (which apparently
> pretty much removes any negative effect from the phospates).
> The Peak site claims that some European car makers say to avoid
> such antifreezes simply because Europe generally has much harder
> water than the U.S....makes sense to me.
>
> Read it for yourself: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_b.html
>
> Maybe I'm naive, but how could they legally make the claims on this
> page (http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peakanti.html) about their
> standard product if it weren't fact anyway?
>
> And yes, I changed the coolant in my German car today, and used
> 50/50 Prestone and distilled water, but have used Peak for years in
> my cars with no problems.
>
> --
> Cliff

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which is an
abrasive. I have read from more than a few people that claim Prestone is
not the choice to use in our Honda cars and for a few dollars it isn't worth
the effort to challenge it. I am sure Honda sells a reasonably priced
antifreeze. You only need a gallon of it anyway I believe.

CaptainKrunch

"Cliff Freeling" <clifffreeling@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a0698655.0401121641.120457f@posting.google.co m...
> It doesn't take much of a USENET search to see all the
> badmouthing about Peak antifreeze, I guess mainly because
> the brand contains phospate. People say this and that,
> and repeat what others say without much thought.
>
> I have visited the Peak site and they discuss these issues,
> and what they say makes sense to me at least. People blast
> Peak because of the phosphates, then turn right around and
> recommend distilled water for cooling sytems (which apparently
> pretty much removes any negative effect from the phospates).
> The Peak site claims that some European car makers say to avoid
> such antifreezes simply because Europe generally has much harder
> water than the U.S....makes sense to me.
>
> Read it for yourself: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_b.html
>
> Maybe I'm naive, but how could they legally make the claims on this
> page (http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peakanti.html) about their
> standard product if it weren't fact anyway?
>
> And yes, I changed the coolant in my German car today, and used
> 50/50 Prestone and distilled water, but have used Peak for years in
> my cars with no problems.
>
> --
> Cliff

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which is an
abrasive. I have read from more than a few people that claim Prestone is
not the choice to use in our Honda cars and for a few dollars it isn't worth
the effort to challenge it. I am sure Honda sells a reasonably priced
antifreeze. You only need a gallon of it anyway I believe.

CaptainKrunch

"Cliff Freeling" <clifffreeling@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a0698655.0401121641.120457f@posting.google.co m...
> It doesn't take much of a USENET search to see all the
> badmouthing about Peak antifreeze, I guess mainly because
> the brand contains phospate. People say this and that,
> and repeat what others say without much thought.
>
> I have visited the Peak site and they discuss these issues,
> and what they say makes sense to me at least. People blast
> Peak because of the phosphates, then turn right around and
> recommend distilled water for cooling sytems (which apparently
> pretty much removes any negative effect from the phospates).
> The Peak site claims that some European car makers say to avoid
> such antifreezes simply because Europe generally has much harder
> water than the U.S....makes sense to me.
>
> Read it for yourself: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_b.html
>
> Maybe I'm naive, but how could they legally make the claims on this
> page (http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peakanti.html) about their
> standard product if it weren't fact anyway?
>
> And yes, I changed the coolant in my German car today, and used
> 50/50 Prestone and distilled water, but have used Peak for years in
> my cars with no problems.
>
> --
> Cliff

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

Roughly 1/12/04 18:49, CaptainKrunch's monkeys randomly typed:

> The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which is an
> abrasive.

? Silicon dioxide can be used as an abrasive, but a silicate is not
silicon dioxide, nor is it a silicone, which is also not abrasive
as your girlfriend may or may not be able to demonstrate to your
satisfaction. As for silicate being "an abrasive" check out
ordinary old sodium silicate... a liquid.

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

Roughly 1/12/04 18:49, CaptainKrunch's monkeys randomly typed:

> The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which is an
> abrasive.

? Silicon dioxide can be used as an abrasive, but a silicate is not
silicon dioxide, nor is it a silicone, which is also not abrasive
as your girlfriend may or may not be able to demonstrate to your
satisfaction. As for silicate being "an abrasive" check out
ordinary old sodium silicate... a liquid.

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

Roughly 1/12/04 18:49, CaptainKrunch's monkeys randomly typed:

> The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which is an
> abrasive.

? Silicon dioxide can be used as an abrasive, but a silicate is not
silicon dioxide, nor is it a silicone, which is also not abrasive
as your girlfriend may or may not be able to demonstrate to your
satisfaction. As for silicate being "an abrasive" check out
ordinary old sodium silicate... a liquid.

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

Roughly 1/12/04 18:49, CaptainKrunch's monkeys randomly typed:

> The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which is an
> abrasive.

? Silicon dioxide can be used as an abrasive, but a silicate is not
silicon dioxide, nor is it a silicone, which is also not abrasive
as your girlfriend may or may not be able to demonstrate to your
satisfaction. As for silicate being "an abrasive" check out
ordinary old sodium silicate... a liquid.

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

"CaptainKrunch" <nothing@nobody.com> wrote in
news:z5-dnXZ6SYRaxp7dRVn-gQ@comcast.com:

> The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which
> is an abrasive. I have read from more than a few people that claim
> Prestone is not the choice to use in our Honda cars and for a few
> dollars it isn't worth the effort to challenge it. I am sure Honda
> sells a reasonably priced antifreeze. You only need a gallon of it
> anyway I believe.
>
> CaptainKrunch

Honda/Acura doesn't sell anything "reasonably priced".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

Re: Some ruminations on antifreeze
 

"CaptainKrunch" <nothing@nobody.com> wrote in
news:z5-dnXZ6SYRaxp7dRVn-gQ@comcast.com:

> The last time I looked at Prestone it does have silicates in it which
> is an abrasive. I have read from more than a few people that claim
> Prestone is not the choice to use in our Honda cars and for a few
> dollars it isn't worth the effort to challenge it. I am sure Honda
> sells a reasonably priced antifreeze. You only need a gallon of it
> anyway I believe.
>
> CaptainKrunch

Honda/Acura doesn't sell anything "reasonably priced".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net