Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:01:32 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> Good for you.
>>
>> The manual says every 7,500 miles. So, why is 5,000 better than 7,500?
>> Or better than 3,000? Let's see what jim moonbeam has to say about this.
>>
>>
>>
> i say that, given that i can't be bothered to do the tribology myself, but
> as someone that has done analysis on engine wear, reading the freakin'
> book is the way to go. not too hard. unless you can't read. or get past
> the first paragraph of "blather".


And I listen to experts and Service managers. Who know I change my own oil.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:01:32 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> Good for you.
>>
>> The manual says every 7,500 miles. So, why is 5,000 better than 7,500?
>> Or better than 3,000? Let's see what jim moonbeam has to say about this.
>>
>>
>>
> i say that, given that i can't be bothered to do the tribology myself, but
> as someone that has done analysis on engine wear, reading the freakin'
> book is the way to go. not too hard. unless you can't read. or get past
> the first paragraph of "blather".


Let's add something else. On the 10,000 mile service for my last new car,
the S.M. had them drill points on the suspension and add Zerk fittings.
Tha factory said the suspension was lubed for the life of the car. Why do
you suppose the S.M. did that, at no charge?

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:59:31 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> I knew from the first time you answered a post of mine you were nothing
>> but an . Thanks for proving it.
>>
>> If you knew half as much as you think you do, you'd still be an
>> imbecile.
>
> an imbecile is one who not only doesn't now what they're talking about,
> but doesn't have the balls to admit it when caught, or worse, tries to
> b.s. their way out of it. you sir, are the imbecile.


Hmmmm...when have I been 'caught'?

Who, other thatn you, says it's bad to change the oil after 1,500 miles?
I've had Service Managers tell me to do this. I think someone who works
for the dealership knows better than someone who names himself after
whiskey...

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:54:32 +0000, Jeff wrote:

> Mike hunt wrote:
>> It is rather basic that the older the vehicle the higher the mileage the
>> more frequently one should change the oil. As things wear the more
>> products of combustion enter the oil sump the more acid is accumulated.
>>
>> Except for collator cars, in the real world, the older the car the less
>> owners are inclined to change oil particularly one that get used less
>> often and the longer some of journal will set in the acid laced oil sump
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08...
>>> Hachiroku cc
c-c/ wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:41:34 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it
>>>>>> three days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after
>>>>>> 3.5 years with all kinds of trouble.
>>>>> that's because it was a camaro, not a corolla!
>>>> Bullshit. I saw about a dozen Camaros and a couple of Chevelles today.
>>>> If you take care of a car, it will probably last. If you treat it like
>>>> you appear to, I guess it'll fall apart.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a new Corolla. That was 22
>>>>>> years ago, and I still have the replacement, and it still runs, and
>>>>>> it still doesn't burn any oil.
>>>>> /in spite/ of your abuse! that's how good toyotas are!
>>>> Huh? Changing the oil is abuse? Pardon me, your ignorance is showing.
>>>> But, that's nothing new.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What does it take to convince you Three Stooges?
>>>>> try not bullshitting. that convinces me real well.
>>>> Stop being an . What's bullshitting? I change my oil every
>>>> 3,000? I do.
>>>> I get high mileage out of my cars? I do. I have the original clutches
>>>> in my cars? I do. I get better than EPA ratings for Highway in
>>>> combined driving? I do.
>>> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference.
>>> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a
>>> waste of money and resources.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
> Evidence for what you say, please.
>
> Jeff

You're kidding, right? Even Ray O has said oil turns acidic as it gets
'used', right here in this very group.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Sat, 17 May 2008 02:00:32 +0000, Jeff wrote:

> Mike hunt wrote:
>> Here we go again I did not claim anything, I posted a fact.
>
> You posted an opinion.
>
> Jeff

"I was once told informally by an oil company chemist that when the
catalyst which allows an oil to be multi weighted starts to break down, it
turns acidic and causes tarnish and other naughty things."

"A good lubricant must reduce particulate wear from the interaction of
metal-metal contact

Even the best lubricants degrade over time, as a result of friction and
chemical in the additive package reacting with particulate, moisture, heat
and oxygen resulting in acidic properties"

" At this point, the oil turns acidic, which is bad for moving parts."

"Spring Starting
Step 1 Change oil but not the filter. (Oil may turn acidic)"


There are plenty more.



>
>> If you CLAIM
>> what I posted was not factual, you are welcomed to prove me wrong LOL
>>
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hmoXj.33$ay2.11@trndny01...
>>> Mike hunt wrote:
>>>> Do your own homework ;)
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:cwmXj.419$H91.213@trndny09...
>>>>> Mike hunt wrote:
>>>>>> It is rather basic that the older the vehicle the higher the mileage
>>>>>> the more frequently one should change the oil. As things wear the
>>>>>> more products of combustion enter the oil sump the more acid is
>>>>>> accumulated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except for collator cars, in the real world, the older the car the
>>>>>> less owners are inclined to change oil particularly one that get
>>>>>> used less often and the longer some of journal will set in the acid
>>>>>> laced oil sump
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> Evidence for what you say, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> You got it backwards, old man. It's up to you to back your own claims.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:03:11 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08>,
> Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference.
>> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a
>> waste of money and resources.
>
> Question: would the sludge-filled Toyota engines have benefited from 3K
> changes vs. 5K or 7.5K changes?


Probably. They probably would have benefitted from people just changing
the oil in the first place. Most people that had these problems were the
people who changed the oil every 12,000 miles whether it needed it or not.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:53:01 +0000, Jeff wrote:

>> The fact is, the carmakers put out products of sometimes questionable
>> quality. The Toyota sludging engines are an example. We, the
>> consumers, won't know this until it's too late.
>>
>> 3K changes are insurance against that.
>
> Not if the engine is subject to sludging.


Bull. The only people who had problems were ones who rarely changed the
oil. If the maintenance schedule was followed, oil sludging was minimal
and at most a flushing was required.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:31:07 -0700, SMS wrote:

>> The fact is, the carmakers put out products of sometimes questionable
>> quality. The Toyota sludging engines are an example. We, the
>> consumers, won't know this until it's too late.
>>
>> 3K changes are insurance against that.
>
> No they're not. Well they are, but so are 5000 mile changes. The sludging
> was from owners following the 7500 mile interval.


More often, not following any schedule at all.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:49:21 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>> > 3K changes are insurance against that.
>>
>> No they're not. Well they are, but so are 5000 mile changes. The
>> sludging was from owners following the 7500 mile interval.
>
> Well, my point is that the sludging occurred when following the factory
> recommended interval. Then it came out: y'all weren't changing your oil
> often enough. Then it all came out: Toyota screwed up in the design of
> that engine.


BUT IT'S WHAT THE MANUAL SAID!!!! ONLY A FOOL WOULD CHANGE OIL MORE OFTEN
THAN THE MANUAL SAYS!!!!!

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:31:37 -0400, Polfus wrote:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote
>
>>Well, my point is that the sludging occurred when following the factory
>> recommended interval. Then it came out: y'all weren't changing your
>>oil often enough. Then it all came out: Toyota screwed up in the
>> design of that engine.
>
> That kinda fuks up your "trust the manual" philosophy that you give such a
> hard time to others about.


LOL! Gracias! BTW, did I ever mention I have NEVER had sludge in my
engines?

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 23:35:49 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:

>>> If we can't trust the factory engineer recommendations from Toyota,
>>> then it's in our own hands to determine what a comfortable interval
>>> would be to try to eliminate such problems.
>>
>> And with that said, you should never say another goddamn word when
>> someone questions a Honda "Maintenance Minder" schedule.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Polfus
>>
>>
>>
> would switching to a full synthetic oil stop the sludging?


Probably. But the number one recommendation to owners worrying about
sludging was, "Change the oil regularly, and NO LATER than 7,500 miles."

In rare cases we would flush the engines with BG Flush, and on *really*
rare occasions the engine would have to have the head removed.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:29:38 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>> >Well, my point is that the sludging occurred when following the factory
>> > recommended interval. Then it came out: y'all weren't changing your
>> >oil often enough. Then it all came out: Toyota screwed up in the
>> > design of that engine.
>>
>> That kinda fuks up your "trust the manual" philosophy that you give such
>> a hard time to others about.
>
> Yup. It does.
>
> It comes down to: do you trust the car company?
>
> It's been shown that we can't even trust Toyota. WTF.


Why? My Supra is notorious for blowing head gaskets. So, you remove the
bolts, replace the gasket and retorque the new bolts to the revised spec.
Not a problem.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:33:02 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> So you're of a mind to do it on your own schedule, then, regardless?
>>
>> No one else can recommend a schedule for you if you want to do it on
>> your own.
>
> if you don't want to follow the manual's service schedule, do oil
> analysis. all this blind gut stuff is utterly retarded.


WHY THE would I pay for an 'oil analysis' that costs more than
CHANGING THE FRIGGING OIL?!?!?!

Dude, you make less sense as you go along!

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:12:36 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>>
>> Like I told Jeff, who just likes to argue to argue, come on over and
>> we'll start the 23 year old Corolla.
>
> it's a corolla - starting a corolla with low mileage like that is totally
> unimpressive.


260,000 miles is 'low mileage'?

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:22:34 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> Hitler. There, I lose. Moron. No go away and bullshit someone else with
>> your 'knowledge'.
>
> oh please, make the pain go away.


I could give you a cyanide capsule and a Luger...