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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 08:30:26 -0700, SMS wrote:
> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:54:26 -0700, SMS wrote: >> >>>> Maintenance is a wonderful thing. >>>> >>>> Phew... >>> Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree >>> that there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil >>> that often. >> >> On my Corolla, I have 260,000 miles. That's 81 oil changes at about >> 3,200 miles between changes. At an average of $2/qt, that's $650. I buy >> filters in bulk, since I usually have two cars that use the same filter. >> I get genuine Toyota filters, by the case, for about $3.50 each. >> >> Over the life of the car I have had no oil related failures, it doesn't >> burn oil no blow-by, nothing. The engine responds like it did the day I >> bought the car. >> >> And if you average the life of the car, that works out to an oil change >> every 3 months. >> >> $650 sounds like cheap insurance to me. > > Again, if you believe that 3000 mile oil changes are what is preserving > your Corolla, then why don't you do even more and do oil changes every > 1000 miles. There's just as much evidence that 1000 mile oil changes are > more beneficial than 5000 mile oil changes than 3000 mule oil changes > being more beneficial than 5000 mile oil changes (in both cases there is > no evidence at all). > > You're throwing money away in an illogical and misguided belief that > you're doing your engine a favor by changing the oil far more often than > necessary. You'd have gotten the same service out of the Corolla doing the > 5000 mile oil changes. > > You're talking about a Corolla here. They could mount guns on them and > send them into battle as a tank. I know someone who routinely ran their > Corolla 10,000 miles between oil changes and they still had over 200K > miles on it whent they sold it 15 years later. > > You've somehow reached the erroneous conclusion that having no oil-related > failures is due to changing the oil far more often than necessary. Yet if > you ask any Toyota mechanic (or any independent mechanic for that matter) > about the longevity of a Corolla maintained according the factory > recommended schedule you'd also find no oil related failures. > > You need to learn to look at the big picture, and think logically. Don't > draw baseless conclusions. > > In fact, you probably lost some of the engine life from you cars by > changing the intitial oil too early, but again that's not something that > you'll ever know for sure. Wow! Thanks for an intelligent response rather than coming back with the guns blaring. OK, maybe I'm wrong with the 1,500 mile oil change. I dunno. I will stick to the 3,000 miles, however, esp on the older cars. On my Scion I set the 'reminder' to 4,500 miles since that car is running synthetic. However, I also take into account other factors. If the oil looks dirty, out it goes, but not before 3,000 miles. There have been times I didn't change the oil right at 3,000, but usually before 5,000. If at 3,000 it looks dirty, it goes. Toyota engines run hot, and heat doesn't help motor oil at all. I also occasionally treat it to some Slick 50, too... |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 06:22:58 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: > >> In article <4EPWj.11659$mc1.1854@trndny08>, >> Hachiroku รยnรย`รยรยงรยN <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote: >> >>> I've seen people do the "Break it in like you're going to drive it" crap >>> and have to do some pretty major repairs, not only to the engines, but >>> to the transmissions, too. >> So what is your response when the Corvette engineers document that very >> behavior as the desired state? > > They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it three > days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after 3.5 years with > all kinds of trouble. I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a new Corolla. > That was 22 years ago, and I still have the replacement, and it still > runs, and it still doesn't burn any oil. > > What does it take to convince you Three Stooges? Real evidence, not anecdotes. The plural of anecdote is not data. Jeff |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:54:26 -0700, SMS wrote: > >>> Maintenance is a wonderful thing. >>> >>> Phew... >> Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree that >> there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil that >> often. > > On my Corolla, I have 260,000 miles. That's 81 oil changes at about 3,200 > miles between changes. At an average of $2/qt, that's $650. I buy filters > in bulk, since I usually have two cars that use the same filter. I get > genuine Toyota filters, by the case, for about $3.50 each. > > Over the life of the car I have had no oil related failures, it doesn't > burn oil no blow-by, nothing. The engine responds like it did the day I > bought the car. > > And if you average the life of the car, that works out to an oil change > every 3 months. > > $650 sounds like cheap insurance to me. It's not insurance. In fact, you risk getting a faulty filter, not tightening the drain plug properly, etc. Plus, it is a waste of money. And, the oil filter has tiny holes in the filter media such that during the first several miles, the oil filter doesn't filter out small particualrs so well. Jeff |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:46:39 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>> Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree that >>> there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil that >>> often. >> >> whatever do you mean??? there's /huge/ benefit for the oilcos in >> separating fools from their money! > > > Hey, look! It's the meeting of the local Mensa chapter! > > How long have you two managed to keep a car running, and looking like > brand new? how many elephants are there in your refrigerator? did you hide the butter? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 08:30:26 -0700, SMS wrote: > >> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:54:26 -0700, SMS wrote: >>> >>>>> Maintenance is a wonderful thing. >>>>> >>>>> Phew... >>>> Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree >>>> that there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil >>>> that often. >>> On my Corolla, I have 260,000 miles. That's 81 oil changes at about >>> 3,200 miles between changes. At an average of $2/qt, that's $650. I buy >>> filters in bulk, since I usually have two cars that use the same filter. >>> I get genuine Toyota filters, by the case, for about $3.50 each. >>> >>> Over the life of the car I have had no oil related failures, it doesn't >>> burn oil no blow-by, nothing. The engine responds like it did the day I >>> bought the car. >>> >>> And if you average the life of the car, that works out to an oil change >>> every 3 months. >>> >>> $650 sounds like cheap insurance to me. >> Again, if you believe that 3000 mile oil changes are what is preserving >> your Corolla, then why don't you do even more and do oil changes every >> 1000 miles. There's just as much evidence that 1000 mile oil changes are >> more beneficial than 5000 mile oil changes than 3000 mule oil changes >> being more beneficial than 5000 mile oil changes (in both cases there is >> no evidence at all). >> >> You're throwing money away in an illogical and misguided belief that >> you're doing your engine a favor by changing the oil far more often than >> necessary. You'd have gotten the same service out of the Corolla doing the >> 5000 mile oil changes. >> >> You're talking about a Corolla here. They could mount guns on them and >> send them into battle as a tank. I know someone who routinely ran their >> Corolla 10,000 miles between oil changes and they still had over 200K >> miles on it whent they sold it 15 years later. >> >> You've somehow reached the erroneous conclusion that having no oil-related >> failures is due to changing the oil far more often than necessary. Yet if >> you ask any Toyota mechanic (or any independent mechanic for that matter) >> about the longevity of a Corolla maintained according the factory >> recommended schedule you'd also find no oil related failures. >> >> You need to learn to look at the big picture, and think logically. Don't >> draw baseless conclusions. >> >> In fact, you probably lost some of the engine life from you cars by >> changing the intitial oil too early, but again that's not something that >> you'll ever know for sure. > > > Wow! Thanks for an intelligent response rather than coming back with the > guns blaring. > > OK, maybe I'm wrong with the 1,500 mile oil change. I dunno. I will stick > to the 3,000 miles, however, esp on the older cars. On my Scion I set the > 'reminder' to 4,500 miles since that car is running synthetic. > > However, I also take into account other factors. If the oil looks dirty, > out it goes, but not before 3,000 miles. There have been times I didn't > change the oil right at 3,000, but usually before 5,000. If at 3,000 it > looks dirty, it goes. > > Toyota engines run hot, and heat doesn't help motor oil at all. > > I also occasionally treat it to some Slick 50, too... > > 3000 mile change? 4500 mile change on synthetic? change it when it "looks dirty"? "toyota engines run hot"??? "heat doesn't help motor oil"??? you use slick 50? that's priceless! dude, sheep are made to be fleeced. you're a sheep. you're getting fleeced. baaa. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:46:19 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:15 -0700, SMS wrote: >>> >>>> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm old-school. I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil >>>>> change. Then I do the next one at 3000 miles, and every 3-3500 after >>>>> that. >>>> Bad idea to do the first oil change at 1500 miles, and totally >>>> unnecessary, with absolutely no benefit, of doing 3000 mile oil changes >>>> after that. >>> Been doing it for a long time. Seems to work. I have a couple of 20 year >>> old cars here. >>> >>> >>>>> I also had 3 cars go over 250,000 miles without burning oil. >>>> LOL. with 3000 mile oil changes you never knew whether they burned oil >>>> or not. >>> 4 quarts going in, 4 quarts coming out, no smoke from the tailpipe. >>> Sounds good to me. >>> >>>>> Of course, with newer cars and a V6, things are different now, but I >>>>> would still take it pretty easy for the first 1500 miles, and stop and >>>>> have the oil changed. >>>> Never change the oil at 1500 miles on a new car. >>> >>> Why? I do it all the time and get rewarded with cars that go >200,000 >>> miles with no oil related problems. >> you're such a bullshitter. if you're doing 1500 mile break-in changes >> "all the time", you /must/ be buying new cars "all the time". so you >> can't have "a couple of 20 year old cars here". or if you /do/ have the >> 20 year old cars, you're not doing those break-in changes. > > Wanna bet? given the above, it wouldn't be much of a bet that you can't do math. > You act like you know a lot, but I'm beginning to think you don't know > sh!t. Except for being a troll, of course. sure - calling you on your bullshit makes me a troll. > >> >> >>> Matter of fact, >> "fact"???? a "fact" is not something you make up to suit some story you >> want to tell. > > Fact is, you're a dipweed. oh, i thought i was a troll. > >> >> >>> no problems at all, >>> hardly. >> apart from the loose wingnut behind the steering wheel. > > I could drive rings around you. I have over a million miles under my belt, > in cars that I've had for 6 years or more. more, more, more!!! i raise you /two/ million!!! > The only reason I was getting a > new car every couple of years here and there is either because my wife > wanted one, or some jackass like you that should be taking the bus would > ruin one on me. duh. any fool knows that jackasses can't ruin your car if you change the oil every 500 miles. > >> >> >>> Maintenance is a wonderful thing. >>> >>> Phew... >>> > |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 06:22:58 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: > >> In article <4EPWj.11659$mc1.1854@trndny08>, >> Hachiroku รยnรย`รยรยงรยN <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote: >> >>> I've seen people do the "Break it in like you're going to drive it" crap >>> and have to do some pretty major repairs, not only to the engines, but >>> to the transmissions, too. >> So what is your response when the Corvette engineers document that very >> behavior as the desired state? > > They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it three > days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after 3.5 years with > all kinds of trouble. that's because it was a camaro, not a corolla! > I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a new Corolla. > That was 22 years ago, and I still have the replacement, and it still > runs, and it still doesn't burn any oil. /in spite/ of your abuse! that's how good toyotas are! > > What does it take to convince you Three Stooges? try not bullshitting. that convinces me real well. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:48:00 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>> Oh, hey, did I ever mention, one of the cars that went over 225,000 >>> miles was an auto. The rest were 5 speeds, and ya know what? They did it >>> on the original clutches. Never replaced a U-Joint, either, and I >>> certainly don't drive them like Grandpa. I own fast cars cause I like to >>> drive FAST. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> no elephants in your refrigerator, so elephants don't like butter... > > > It's logic like that that made this country what it is today... you mean the world's #1 superpower? the global leader in technology? the wealthiest nation on earth? you made a correct statement, but only in the way that a broken clock is right twice a day. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:47:34 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>> This article says, "Learning from failures." >>> >>> Having never failed, no lesson need be learned. There are books and >>> SMART people out there. I learn by doing and picking brains. I see yours >>> is picked clean. >>> >>> >>> >> seems your reading comprehension isn't too strong. that may explain why >> you can't follow written instructions, but it sure is scary to witness. > > > I don't read blather. The first paragraph was enough. what an extraordinary statement. would you like fries with that? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:38:20 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>> Matter of fact, >>> "fact"???? a "fact" is not something you make up to suit some story >>> you want to tell. >> >> Fact is, you're a dipweed. > > oh, i thought i was a troll. I've known from the start you are a jackass. > > > >> >>> >>>> no problems at all, >>>> hardly. >>> apart from the loose wingnut behind the steering wheel. >> >> I could drive rings around you. I have over a million miles under my >> belt, in cars that I've had for 6 years or more. > > more, more, more!!! i raise you /two/ million!!! Yeah, right. I can verify the million miles. > > > >> The only reason I was getting a >> new car every couple of years here and there is either because my wife >> wanted one, or some jackass like you that should be taking the bus would >> ruin one on me. > > duh. any fool knows that jackasses can't ruin your car if you change the > oil every 500 miles. No, I meant jackasses like you that think they can beat out traffic with a piece of car and pulling out in front of me. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Fri, 16 May 2008 00:14:42 +0000, Jeff wrote:
>> And if you average the life of the car, that works out to an oil change >> every 3 months. >> >> $650 sounds like cheap insurance to me. > > It's not insurance. In fact, you risk getting a faulty filter, not > tightening the drain plug properly, etc. Plus, it is a waste of money. > And, the oil filter has tiny holes in the filter media such that during > the first several miles, the oil filter doesn't filter out small > particualrs so well. > > Jeff Wow. All the jackasses are coming out of the woodwork. You change your oil once a year whether it needs it or not, right? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:36:56 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> Toyota engines run hot, and heat doesn't help motor oil at all. >> >> I also occasionally treat it to some Slick 50, too... >> >> >> > 3000 mile change? > 4500 mile change on synthetic? > change it when it "looks dirty"? > "toyota engines run hot"??? > "heat doesn't help motor oil"??? Those scoffs above show you're an idiot. > you use slick 50? > > that's priceless! > > dude, sheep are made to be fleeced. you're a sheep. you're getting > fleeced. > > baaa. My cars run well for a couple hundred thousand miles, I get better economy than the EPA rated mileage in everyday driving, my cars pass EPA inspections as well at 200,000 miles as they did new,I don't have to do a lot of repairs, or change rings, or have knocking sounds, and I drive like a bat out of hell. What do you do? wait until it no longer registers on the dipstick, and then add a few quarts till the next time? Tell me, what the is *WRONG* with you? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:44:32 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>> no elephants in your refrigerator, so elephants don't like butter... >> >> >> It's logic like that that made this country what it is today... > > you mean the world's #1 superpower? the global leader in technology? the > wealthiest nation on earth? I was thinking more the one that acts like you: Can't read Can't do math Has China do all it's manufacturing Buys oil from enemies rather than getting it's own > > you made a correct statement, but only in the way that a broken clock is > right twice a day. At least I'm correct that much. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:41:34 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it >> three days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after 3.5 >> years with all kinds of trouble. > > that's because it was a camaro, not a corolla! Bullshit. I saw about a dozen Camaros and a couple of Chevelles today. If you take care of a car, it will probably last. If you treat it like you appear to, I guess it'll fall apart. > > > >> I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a new Corolla. That was 22 years >> ago, and I still have the replacement, and it still runs, and it still >> doesn't burn any oil. > > /in spite/ of your abuse! that's how good toyotas are! Huh? Changing the oil is abuse? Pardon me, your ignorance is showing. But, that's nothing new. > > > >> What does it take to convince you Three Stooges? > > try not bullshitting. that convinces me real well. Stop being an . What's bullshitting? I change my oil every 3,000? I do. I get high mileage out of my cars? I do. I have the original clutches in my cars? I do. I get better than EPA ratings for Highway in combined driving? I do. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Fri, 16 May 2008 00:12:47 +0000, Jeff wrote:
>> They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it >> three days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after 3.5 >> years with all kinds of trouble. I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a >> new Corolla. That was 22 years ago, and I still have the replacement, >> and it still runs, and it still doesn't burn any oil. >> >> What does it take to convince you Three Stooges? > > Real evidence, not anecdotes. Come on over! We'll start up the 23 year old Corolla, and you can see for yourself. |
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