Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:07:44 +0000, Jeff wrote:

>> What's bullshitting? I change my oil every 3,000? I do. I get high
>> mileage out of my cars? I do. I have the original clutches in my cars? I
>> do. I get better than EPA ratings for Highway in combined driving? I do.
>
> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference.
> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a
> waste of money and resources.


So what?

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:27:26 -0700, SMS wrote:

> Jeff wrote:
>
>> Real evidence, not anecdotes.
>
> Usenet, as we know it, would cease to exist if real evidence were provided
> instead on anecdotal evidence.
>
>> The plural of anecdote is not data.
>
> I like that!

Like I told Jeff, who just likes to argue to argue, come on over and we'll
start the 23 year old Corolla.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:46:40 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> From reading about your 'expertise', I'd have guessed that's about what
>> you're good for. Can I have a shake, too?
>>
>>
>>
> but you're serving. i'll have a double large fries please. plenty of
> salt. no ketchup.


Good backpedal, Nimrod. You've already been had.

Hitler. There, I lose. Moron. No go away and bullshit someone else with
your 'knowledge'.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:43:59 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
>
>>> i /love/ taunting retards. i'm sick.
>
> I'm a retard because I told someone to change his oil in a new car after a
> 3,000 mile road trip?

actually, you said:
"I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil change".

then, just to make sure it wasn't a typo or that you were mistaken the
first time, you said:
"I would still take it pretty easy for the first 1500 miles, and stop
and have the oil changed".

so you said to change it after 1500 miles. twice. not 3000 miles.


>
> I knew from the first time you answered a post of mine you were nothing
> but an . Thanks for proving it.
>
> If you knew half as much as you think you do, you'd still be an imbecile.

an imbecile is one who not only doesn't now what they're talking about,
but doesn't have the balls to admit it when caught, or worse, tries to
b.s. their way out of it. you sir, are the imbecile.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:03:33 +0000, Jeff wrote:
>
>>> You change your oil once a year whether it needs it or not, right?
>> No. I change my oil when it needs it, which is every 5000 mi or so.
>
>
> Good for you.
>
> The manual says every 7,500 miles. So, why is 5,000 better than 7,500? Or
> better than 3,000? Let's see what jim moonbeam has to say about this.
>
>

i say that, given that i can't be bothered to do the tribology myself,
but as someone that has done analysis on engine wear, reading the
freakin' book is the way to go. not too hard. unless you can't read.
or get past the first paragraph of "blather".

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:41:12 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> No, I meant jackasses like you that think they can beat out traffic with
>>> a piece of car and pulling out in front of me.
>> you struck a vehicle in front of you? looking at the mileage counter were
>> you? or was it because you didn't change the brake fluid every 1500 miles
>> and the brakes didn't work?
>
> No, jackass, it's because I had morons like you that weren't paying
> attention and pulled directly into my path leaving me no place to go.
> No turn signal, no nothing. Oh, wait. One guy did use a turn signal...
> indicating he was turning the OTHER direction. And another one that
> decided he had to pass, in a no passing zone, when I had my turn signal on
> indicating I was turning right into his path. And it was night. And
> he didn't have his headlights on. And the bastard had the balls to try to
> sue *ME*.

well /you/ hit /his/ car that was in front of you!


>
> There's a reason we have buses.
>

for people that can't read vehicle owners manuals? no, wait, you
probably can't read a bus schedule either. scratch that.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:27:26 -0700, SMS wrote:
>
>> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Real evidence, not anecdotes.
>> Usenet, as we know it, would cease to exist if real evidence were provided
>> instead on anecdotal evidence.
>>
>>> The plural of anecdote is not data.
>> I like that!
>
> Like I told Jeff, who just likes to argue to argue, come on over and we'll
> start the 23 year old Corolla.

it's a corolla - starting a corolla with low mileage like that is
totally unimpressive.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒã‚¯ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:46:40 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> From reading about your 'expertise', I'd have guessed that's about what
>>> you're good for. Can I have a shake, too?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> but you're serving. i'll have a double large fries please. plenty of
>> salt. no ketchup.
>
>
> Good backpedal, Nimrod. You've already been had.

really? it took you over an hour to come back with something that weak.
and if you recall the conversation went like this:

"> I don't read blather. The first paragraph was enough.

what an extraordinary statement. would you like fries with that?"

but you snipped that.


>
> Hitler. There, I lose. Moron. No go away and bullshit someone else with
> your 'knowledge'.

oh please, make the pain go away.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

In article <Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08>,
Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference.
> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a
> waste of money and resources.

Question: would the sludge-filled Toyota engines have benefited from 3K
changes vs. 5K or 7.5K changes?

The fact is, the carmakers put out products of sometimes questionable
quality. The Toyota sludging engines are an example. We, the
consumers, won't know this until it's too late.

3K changes are insurance against that.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08>,
> Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference.
>> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a
>> waste of money and resources.
>
> Question: would the sludge-filled Toyota engines have benefited from 3K
> changes vs. 5K or 7.5K changes?
>
> The fact is, the carmakers put out products of sometimes questionable
> quality. The Toyota sludging engines are an example. We, the
> consumers, won't know this until it's too late.
>
> 3K changes are insurance against that.
>

the /correct/ insurance against that is opening the oil filler cap and
looking inside once in a while. you should do that anyway when checking
for fluid levels, leaks, etc., as with many cars, it's where you'll see
first signs of head gasket leakage.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08>,
> Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference.
>> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a
>> waste of money and resources.
>
> Question: would the sludge-filled Toyota engines have benefited from 3K
> changes vs. 5K or 7.5K changes?
>
> The fact is, the carmakers put out products of sometimes questionable
> quality. The Toyota sludging engines are an example. We, the
> consumers, won't know this until it's too late.
>
> 3K changes are insurance against that.

No they're not. Well they are, but so are 5000 mile changes. The
sludging was from owners following the 7500 mile interval.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

jim beam wrote:

> then, just to make sure it wasn't a typo or that you were mistaken the
> first time, you said:
> "I would still take it pretty easy for the first 1500 miles, and stop
> and have the oil changed".
>
> so you said to change it after 1500 miles. twice. not 3000 miles.

Plus, it's a very bad idea to change your oil that soon. Some dealers
put signs up in their service areas warning customers not too change the
oil on new cars too soon.

Again, follow the manual. Too much maintenance can be as bad as too little.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

In article <jJhXj.1055$BL6.148@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > Question: would the sludge-filled Toyota engines have benefited from 3K
> > changes vs. 5K or 7.5K changes?
> >
> > The fact is, the carmakers put out products of sometimes questionable
> > quality. The Toyota sludging engines are an example. We, the
> > consumers, won't know this until it's too late.
> >
> > 3K changes are insurance against that.
>
> No they're not. Well they are, but so are 5000 mile changes. The
> sludging was from owners following the 7500 mile interval.

Well, my point is that the sludging occurred when following the factory
recommended interval. Then it came out: y'all weren't changing your
oil often enough. Then it all came out: Toyota screwed up in the
design of that engine.

If we can't trust the factory engineer recommendations from Toyota, then
it's in our own hands to determine what a comfortable interval would be
to try to eliminate such problems.

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

It is rather basic that the older the vehicle the higher the mileage the
more frequently one should change the oil. As things wear the more
products of combustion enter the oil sump the more acid is accumulated.

Except for collator cars, in the real world, the older the car the less
owners are inclined to change oil particularly one that get used less often
and the longer some of journal will set in the acid laced oil sump



"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08...
> Hachiroku cc
c-c/ wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:41:34 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>> They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it
>>>> three days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after 3.5
>>>> years with all kinds of trouble.
>>> that's because it was a camaro, not a corolla!
>>
>> Bullshit. I saw about a dozen Camaros and a couple of Chevelles today. If
>> you take care of a car, it will probably last.
>> If you treat it like you appear to, I guess it'll fall apart.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a new Corolla. That was 22 years
>>>> ago, and I still have the replacement, and it still runs, and it still
>>>> doesn't burn any oil.
>>> /in spite/ of your abuse! that's how good toyotas are!
>>
>> Huh? Changing the oil is abuse? Pardon me, your ignorance is showing.
>> But, that's nothing new.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What does it take to convince you Three Stooges?
>>> try not bullshitting. that convinces me real well.
>>
>> Stop being an . What's bullshitting? I change my oil every 3,000?
>> I do.
>> I get high mileage out of my cars? I do.
>> I have the original clutches in my cars? I do.
>> I get better than EPA ratings for Highway in combined driving? I do.
>
> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference.
> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a
> waste of money and resources.
>
> Jeff

Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote

>Well, my point is that the sludging occurred when following the factory
> recommended interval. Then it came out: y'all weren't changing your
>oil often enough. Then it all came out: Toyota screwed up in the
> design of that engine.

That kinda fuks up your "trust the manual" philosophy that you give such a
hard time to others about.


> If we can't trust the factory engineer recommendations from Toyota, then
> it's in our own hands to determine what a comfortable interval would be
> to try to eliminate such problems.

And with that said, you should never say another goddamn word when someone
questions a Honda "Maintenance Minder" schedule.

Peace,
Polfus