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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:03:33 +0000, Jeff wrote: > >>> You change your oil once a year whether it needs it or not, right? >> No. I change my oil when it needs it, which is every 5000 mi or so. > > > Good for you. > > The manual says every 7,500 miles. So, why is 5,000 better than 7,500? Or > better than 3,000? Let's see what jim moonbeam has to say about this. The car's manual says every 5,000 mi. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08>, > Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference. >> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a >> waste of money and resources. > > Question: would the sludge-filled Toyota engines have benefited from 3K > changes vs. 5K or 7.5K changes? > > The fact is, the carmakers put out products of sometimes questionable > quality. The Toyota sludging engines are an example. We, the > consumers, won't know this until it's too late. > > 3K changes are insurance against that. Not if the engine is subject to sludging. And if the threads on the oil drain plug or where the oil filter goes get damaged, you could easily run out of oil. Jeff |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Mike hunt wrote:
> It is rather basic that the older the vehicle the higher the mileage the > more frequently one should change the oil. As things wear the more > products of combustion enter the oil sump the more acid is accumulated. > > Except for collator cars, in the real world, the older the car the less > owners are inclined to change oil particularly one that get used less often > and the longer some of journal will set in the acid laced oil sump > > > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08... >> Hachiroku ccc-c/ wrote: >>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:41:34 -0700, jim beam wrote: >>> >>>>> They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it >>>>> three days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after 3.5 >>>>> years with all kinds of trouble. >>>> that's because it was a camaro, not a corolla! >>> Bullshit. I saw about a dozen Camaros and a couple of Chevelles today. If >>> you take care of a car, it will probably last. >>> If you treat it like you appear to, I guess it'll fall apart. >>> >>>> >>>>> I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a new Corolla. That was 22 years >>>>> ago, and I still have the replacement, and it still runs, and it still >>>>> doesn't burn any oil. >>>> /in spite/ of your abuse! that's how good toyotas are! >>> Huh? Changing the oil is abuse? Pardon me, your ignorance is showing. >>> But, that's nothing new. >>>> >>>>> What does it take to convince you Three Stooges? >>>> try not bullshitting. that convinces me real well. >>> Stop being an . What's bullshitting? I change my oil every 3,000? >>> I do. >>> I get high mileage out of my cars? I do. >>> I have the original clutches in my cars? I do. >>> I get better than EPA ratings for Highway in combined driving? I do. >> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference. >> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a >> waste of money and resources. >> >> Jeff > > Evidence for what you say, please. Jeff |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
In article <NumXj.417$H91.162@trndny09>, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote: > > 3K changes are insurance against that. > > Not if the engine is subject to sludging. > > And if the threads on the oil drain plug or where the oil filter goes > get damaged, you could easily run out of oil. > > Jeff In which case, you will now hear from the people who swear by those replacement flip-valve plugs. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
In article <482dd3e9$0$30525$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote: > >Well, my point is that the sludging occurred when following the factory > > recommended interval. Then it came out: y'all weren't changing your > >oil often enough. Then it all came out: Toyota screwed up in the > > design of that engine. > > That kinda fuks up your "trust the manual" philosophy that you give such a > hard time to others about. Yup. It does. It comes down to: do you trust the car company? It's been shown that we can't even trust Toyota. WTF. > > If we can't trust the factory engineer recommendations from Toyota, then > > it's in our own hands to determine what a comfortable interval would be > > to try to eliminate such problems. > > And with that said, you should never say another goddamn word when someone > questions a Honda "Maintenance Minder" schedule. temper, temper. So you're of a mind to do it on your own schedule, then, regardless? No one else can recommend a schedule for you if you want to do it on your own. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Do your own homework ;)
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cwmXj.419$H91.213@trndny09... > Mike hunt wrote: >> It is rather basic that the older the vehicle the higher the mileage the >> more frequently one should change the oil. As things wear the more >> products of combustion enter the oil sump the more acid is accumulated. >> >> Except for collator cars, in the real world, the older the car the less >> owners are inclined to change oil particularly one that get used less >> often and the longer some of journal will set in the acid laced oil sump >> >> >> >> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08... >>> Hachiroku ccc-c/ wrote: >>>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:41:34 -0700, jim beam wrote: >>>> >>>>>> They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it >>>>>> three days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after 3.5 >>>>>> years with all kinds of trouble. >>>>> that's because it was a camaro, not a corolla! >>>> Bullshit. I saw about a dozen Camaros and a couple of Chevelles today. >>>> If you take care of a car, it will probably last. >>>> If you treat it like you appear to, I guess it'll fall apart. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a new Corolla. That was 22 >>>>>> years >>>>>> ago, and I still have the replacement, and it still runs, and it >>>>>> still >>>>>> doesn't burn any oil. >>>>> /in spite/ of your abuse! that's how good toyotas are! >>>> Huh? Changing the oil is abuse? Pardon me, your ignorance is showing. >>>> But, that's nothing new. >>>>> >>>>>> What does it take to convince you Three Stooges? >>>>> try not bullshitting. that convinces me real well. >>>> Stop being an . What's bullshitting? I change my oil every >>>> 3,000? I do. >>>> I get high mileage out of my cars? I do. >>>> I have the original clutches in my cars? I do. >>>> I get better than EPA ratings for Highway in combined driving? I do. >>> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference. >>> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a >>> waste of money and resources. >>> >>> Jeff >> >> > > Evidence for what you say, please. > > Jeff |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Mike hunt wrote:
> Do your own homework ;) > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:cwmXj.419$H91.213@trndny09... >> Mike hunt wrote: >>> It is rather basic that the older the vehicle the higher the mileage the >>> more frequently one should change the oil. As things wear the more >>> products of combustion enter the oil sump the more acid is accumulated. >>> >>> Except for collator cars, in the real world, the older the car the less >>> owners are inclined to change oil particularly one that get used less >>> often and the longer some of journal will set in the acid laced oil sump >>> >>> >>> >>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:Q%5Xj.11721$mc1.8232@trndny08... >>>> Hachiroku ccc-c/ wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:41:34 -0700, jim beam wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it >>>>>>> three days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after 3.5 >>>>>>> years with all kinds of trouble. >>>>>> that's because it was a camaro, not a corolla! >>>>> Bullshit. I saw about a dozen Camaros and a couple of Chevelles today. >>>>> If you take care of a car, it will probably last. >>>>> If you treat it like you appear to, I guess it'll fall apart. >>>>> >>>>>>> I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a new Corolla. That was 22 >>>>>>> years >>>>>>> ago, and I still have the replacement, and it still runs, and it >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> doesn't burn any oil. >>>>>> /in spite/ of your abuse! that's how good toyotas are! >>>>> Huh? Changing the oil is abuse? Pardon me, your ignorance is showing. >>>>> But, that's nothing new. >>>>>>> What does it take to convince you Three Stooges? >>>>>> try not bullshitting. that convinces me real well. >>>>> Stop being an . What's bullshitting? I change my oil every >>>>> 3,000? I do. >>>>> I get high mileage out of my cars? I do. >>>>> I have the original clutches in my cars? I do. >>>>> I get better than EPA ratings for Highway in combined driving? I do. >>>> Yet, none of this shows that changing oil too often makes a difference. >>>> Clearly, changing it often enough does, but more often than that is a >>>> waste of money and resources. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>> >> Evidence for what you say, please. >> >> Jeff You got it backwards, old man. It's up to you to back your own claims. Jeff |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
"Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote in
news:482dd3e9$0$30525$4c368faf@roadrunner.com: > > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote > >>Well, my point is that the sludging occurred when following the >>factory >> recommended interval. Then it came out: y'all weren't changing your >>oil often enough. Then it all came out: Toyota screwed up in the >> design of that engine. > > That kinda fuks up your "trust the manual" philosophy that you give > such a hard time to others about. > > >> If we can't trust the factory engineer recommendations from Toyota, >> then it's in our own hands to determine what a comfortable interval >> would be to try to eliminate such problems. > > And with that said, you should never say another goddamn word when > someone questions a Honda "Maintenance Minder" schedule. > > Peace, > Polfus > > would switching to a full synthetic oil stop the sludging? -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Here we go again I did not claim anything, I posted a fact. If you CLAIM
what I posted was not factual, you are welcomed to prove me wrong LOL "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hmoXj.33$ay2.11@trndny01... > Mike hunt wrote: >> Do your own homework ;) >> >> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:cwmXj.419$H91.213@trndny09... >>> Mike hunt wrote: >>>> It is rather basic that the older the vehicle the higher the mileage >>>> the more frequently one should change the oil. As things wear the >>>> more products of combustion enter the oil sump the more acid is >>>> accumulated. >>>> >>>> Except for collator cars, in the real world, the older the car the less >>>> owners are inclined to change oil particularly one that get used less >>>> often and the longer some of journal will set in the acid laced oil >>>> sump >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in >>> Evidence for what you say, please. >>> >>> Jeff > > > You got it backwards, old man. It's up to you to back your own claims. > > Jeff |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Toyota seems to think so. That is what they recommended when they were
having problems with engines presenting with what they referred to as oil "gelling" ;) "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message > > would switching to a full synthetic oil stop the sludging? > > -- > Jim Yanik > jyanik > at > kua.net |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <482dd3e9$0$30525$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote: > >>> Well, my point is that the sludging occurred when following the factory >>> recommended interval. Then it came out: y'all weren't changing your >>> oil often enough. Then it all came out: Toyota screwed up in the >>> design of that engine. >> That kinda fuks up your "trust the manual" philosophy that you give such a >> hard time to others about. > > Yup. It does. > > It comes down to: do you trust the car company? > > It's been shown that we can't even trust Toyota. that's not strictly true. it's the manual "as revised". each time a tsb is issued, it's what's in the tsb that prevails. just like a service pack or software update for your computer. > WTF. > > > >>> If we can't trust the factory engineer recommendations from Toyota, then >>> it's in our own hands to determine what a comfortable interval would be >>> to try to eliminate such problems. >> And with that said, you should never say another goddamn word when someone >> questions a Honda "Maintenance Minder" schedule. > > temper, temper. > > So you're of a mind to do it on your own schedule, then, regardless? > > No one else can recommend a schedule for you if you want to do it on > your own. if you don't want to follow the manual's service schedule, do oil analysis. all this blind gut stuff is utterly retarded. so is never checking the simple stuff that can be easily checked come to that, and looking inside the rocker cover is hardly difficult to do. as for toyota sludging, it wasn't /every/ toyota that did it, just a very small subset of users that would literally drive around the block, then stop. repeatedly. if the oil never reached operating temperature but was constantly loaded with condensates, i'm sure pretty much any car would be susceptible. and you then have to ask, to what degree does the engineer have to anticipate statistical outliers? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Mike hunt wrote:
> Here we go again I did not claim anything, I posted a fact. You posted an opinion. Jeff > If you CLAIM > what I posted was not factual, you are welcomed to prove me wrong LOL > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:hmoXj.33$ay2.11@trndny01... >> Mike hunt wrote: >>> Do your own homework ;) >>> >>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:cwmXj.419$H91.213@trndny09... >>>> Mike hunt wrote: >>>>> It is rather basic that the older the vehicle the higher the mileage >>>>> the more frequently one should change the oil. As things wear the >>>>> more products of combustion enter the oil sump the more acid is >>>>> accumulated. >>>>> >>>>> Except for collator cars, in the real world, the older the car the less >>>>> owners are inclined to change oil particularly one that get used less >>>>> often and the longer some of journal will set in the acid laced oil >>>>> sump >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in >>>> Evidence for what you say, please. >>>> >>>> Jeff >> >> You got it backwards, old man. It's up to you to back your own claims. >> >> Jeff > > |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:64CdnURsH81SqLPVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >> In article <482dd3e9$0$30525$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, >> "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote: >> >>>> Well, my point is that the sludging occurred when following the >>>> factory recommended interval. Then it came out: y'all weren't >>>> changing your oil often enough. Then it all came out: Toyota >>>> screwed up in the design of that engine. >>> That kinda fuks up your "trust the manual" philosophy that you give >>> such a hard time to others about. >> >> Yup. It does. >> >> It comes down to: do you trust the car company? >> >> It's been shown that we can't even trust Toyota. > > that's not strictly true. it's the manual "as revised". each time a > tsb is issued, it's what's in the tsb that prevails. just like a > service pack or software update for your computer. > > > >> WTF. >> >> >> >>>> If we can't trust the factory engineer recommendations from Toyota, >>>> then it's in our own hands to determine what a comfortable interval >>>> would be to try to eliminate such problems. >>> And with that said, you should never say another goddamn word when >>> someone questions a Honda "Maintenance Minder" schedule. >> >> temper, temper. >> >> So you're of a mind to do it on your own schedule, then, regardless? >> >> No one else can recommend a schedule for you if you want to do it on >> your own. > > if you don't want to follow the manual's service schedule, do oil > analysis. all this blind gut stuff is utterly retarded. so is never > checking the simple stuff that can be easily checked come to that, and > looking inside the rocker cover is hardly difficult to do. depends on where the sludge is prone to build up.It might be in a place not visible without dismantling the motor or borescope inspection. > > as for toyota sludging, it wasn't /every/ toyota that did it, just a > very small subset of users that would literally drive around the > block, then stop. repeatedly. if the oil never reached operating > temperature but was constantly loaded with condensates, i'm sure > pretty much any car would be susceptible. and you then have to ask, > to what degree does the engineer have to anticipate statistical > outliers? > isn't it common knowledge that oil change intervals depend on a particular car's usage? Like if one only uses their car for short trips,or infrequent usage,oil/filter should be changed -more often- than cars used more "fully"? IMO,an auto manual's procedures are based on AVERAGE use/average conditions,not extremes either way;heavier or lighter use. That's all the manufacturer/engineer can reliably provide. After that,it's the end user and their knowledgeable mechanics that must make a determination based on the particulars. Otherwise,it's just a guessing game. More frequent oil/filter changes may be playing on the safe side,at a higher cost.It's a trade-off. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:06:50 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> No, jackass, it's because I had morons like you that weren't paying >> attention and pulled directly into my path leaving me no place to go. No >> turn signal, no nothing. Oh, wait. One guy did use a turn signal... >> indicating he was turning the OTHER direction. And another one that >> decided he had to pass, in a no passing zone, when I had my turn signal >> on indicating I was turning right into his path. And it was night. And >> he didn't have his headlights on. And the bastard had the balls to try >> to sue *ME*. > > well /you/ hit /his/ car that was in front of you! This is true. With the brakes in full lock cause that's all I had time for. > > > >> There's a reason we have buses. >> >> > for people that can't read vehicle owners manuals? no, wait, you > probably can't read a bus schedule either. scratch that. I can read the owner's manual just fine. I do it every time I get a new car. Or an old car that still has the manual. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:50:33 +0000, Jeff wrote:
>>>> You change your oil once a year whether it needs it or not, right? >>> No. I change my oil when it needs it, which is every 5000 mi or so. >> >> >> Good for you. >> >> The manual says every 7,500 miles. So, why is 5,000 better than 7,500? >> Or better than 3,000? Let's see what jim moonbeam has to say about this. > > The car's manual says every 5,000 mi. OK. Good for you. For years Toyota recommended 7,500 mile oil changes. Have a look on Toyota.com and see what's recommended. |
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