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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:53:23 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:06:25 -0700, jim beam wrote: >> >>>> I ask myself that question and wonder aloud why I haven't plonked you. >>>> >>>> No, you're right. It sure doesn't look good. I'd give up if I were >>>> you... >>> eh? so your problem is still my fault? >> >> No, if you read it correctly, you're still my problem > > i'm not your problem! your ignorance and subsequent bullshit is your > problem! > > > > >>> >>> >>>> Are you any relation to Smirmoff? He has a tendancy to think in RPN >>>> also... >>>> >>>> >>> if you could actually use rpn, you wouldn't be here. >> >> We all used RPN back then. > > who's "we"? > > > >> And slide rules before that. >> >> > so you're an old fart. how is it possible to reach that age without > learning anything? missing gene perhaps? > > http://www.tfot.info/news/1094/some-...ver-learn.html This article says, "Learning from failures." Having never failed, no lesson need be learned. There are books and SMART people out there. I learn by doing and picking brains. I see yours is picked clean. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:15 -0700, SMS wrote: > >> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >> >>> I'm old-school. I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil >>> change. Then I do the next one at 3000 miles, and every 3-3500 after >>> that. >> Bad idea to do the first oil change at 1500 miles, and totally >> unnecessary, with absolutely no benefit, of doing 3000 mile oil changes >> after that. > > Been doing it for a long time. Seems to work. I have a couple of 20 year > old cars here. So why didn't you change the oil every 1000 miles or every 500 miles? It would have had the same effect on longevity as 3000 mile oil changes or 5000 mile oil changes. Don't you want to buy all the cheap insurance you can buy? >> Never change the oil at 1500 miles on a new car. > > > Why? I do it all the time and get rewarded with cars that go >200,000 > miles with no oil related problems. Matter of fact, no problems at all, > hardly. You seem to think that getting 200,000 miles out of a car is some spectacular achievement that requires doing far more maintenance than necessary. > Maintenance is a wonderful thing. > > Phew... Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree that there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil that often. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
In article <4EPWj.11659$mc1.1854@trndny08>,
Hachiroku รnร`รรงรN <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote: > I've seen people do the "Break it in like you're going to drive it" crap > and have to do some pretty major repairs, not only to the engines, but to > the transmissions, too. So what is your response when the Corvette engineers document that very behavior as the desired state? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:15 -0700, SMS wrote: > >> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >> >>> I'm old-school. I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil >>> change. Then I do the next one at 3000 miles, and every 3-3500 after >>> that. >> Bad idea to do the first oil change at 1500 miles, and totally >> unnecessary, with absolutely no benefit, of doing 3000 mile oil changes >> after that. > > Been doing it for a long time. Seems to work. I have a couple of 20 year > old cars here. > > >>> I also had 3 cars go over 250,000 miles without burning oil. >> LOL. with 3000 mile oil changes you never knew whether they burned oil or >> not. > > 4 quarts going in, 4 quarts coming out, no smoke from the tailpipe. Sounds > good to me. > >>> Of course, with newer cars and a V6, things are different now, but I >>> would still take it pretty easy for the first 1500 miles, and stop and >>> have the oil changed. >> Never change the oil at 1500 miles on a new car. > > > Why? I do it all the time and get rewarded with cars that go >200,000 > miles with no oil related problems. you're such a bullshitter. if you're doing 1500 mile break-in changes "all the time", you /must/ be buying new cars "all the time". so you can't have "a couple of 20 year old cars here". or if you /do/ have the 20 year old cars, you're not doing those break-in changes. > Matter of fact, "fact"???? a "fact" is not something you make up to suit some story you want to tell. > no problems at all, > hardly. apart from the loose wingnut behind the steering wheel. > > Maintenance is a wonderful thing. > > Phew... > |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
SMS wrote:
> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:15 -0700, SMS wrote: >> >>> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >>> >>>> I'm old-school. I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil >>>> change. Then I do the next one at 3000 miles, and every 3-3500 after >>>> that. >>> Bad idea to do the first oil change at 1500 miles, and totally >>> unnecessary, with absolutely no benefit, of doing 3000 mile oil changes >>> after that. >> >> Been doing it for a long time. Seems to work. I have a couple of 20 year >> old cars here. > > So why didn't you change the oil every 1000 miles or every 500 miles? It > would have had the same effect on longevity as 3000 mile oil changes or > 5000 mile oil changes. Don't you want to buy all the cheap insurance you > can buy? > >>> Never change the oil at 1500 miles on a new car. >> >> >> Why? I do it all the time and get rewarded with cars that go >200,000 >> miles with no oil related problems. Matter of fact, no problems at all, >> hardly. > > You seem to think that getting 200,000 miles out of a car is some > spectacular achievement that requires doing far more maintenance than > necessary. > >> Maintenance is a wonderful thing. >> >> Phew... > > Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree that > there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil that > often. whatever do you mean??? there's /huge/ benefit for the oilcos in separating fools from their money! |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:53:23 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:06:25 -0700, jim beam wrote: >>> >>>>> I ask myself that question and wonder aloud why I haven't plonked you. >>>>> >>>>> No, you're right. It sure doesn't look good. I'd give up if I were >>>>> you... >>>> eh? so your problem is still my fault? >>> No, if you read it correctly, you're still my problem >> i'm not your problem! your ignorance and subsequent bullshit is your >> problem! >> >> >> >> >>>> >>>>> Are you any relation to Smirmoff? He has a tendancy to think in RPN >>>>> also... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> if you could actually use rpn, you wouldn't be here. >>> We all used RPN back then. >> who's "we"? >> >> >> >>> And slide rules before that. >>> >>> >> so you're an old fart. how is it possible to reach that age without >> learning anything? missing gene perhaps? >> >> http://www.tfot.info/news/1094/some-...ver-learn.html > > > This article says, "Learning from failures." > > Having never failed, no lesson need be learned. There are books and SMART > people out there. I learn by doing and picking brains. I see yours is > picked clean. > > seems your reading comprehension isn't too strong. that may explain why you can't follow written instructions, but it sure is scary to witness. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:49:58 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>>> high mileage survival is not a function of your, er, "departure" from >>>> the service schedule - hondas and toyotas ROUTINELY get 300k+ miles on >>>> a motor, no re-bores. all that 240k proves is that [because of good >>>> production and engineering] it has survived in spite of your behavior, >>>> not because of it. >>> >>> <YAWN> Admit it, I'm right. Period. >> dude, you don't know what you don't know. and because of that, you're >> propagating bullshit. > > > Bite me. I know plenty. I have 3 20 year old cars here that run like > champs. > > Maintenance is a wonderful thing. I sure hope the OP left long before you > started your spew. If he listens to you he'll probably be scrapping the > car at 50,000 miles. > > I've seen people do the "Break it in like you're going to drive it" crap > and have to do some pretty major repairs, not only to the engines, but to > the transmissions, too. Oh, and I change my trans oil (Manual) every > 60,000 miles, too. The manual says it's good for the life of the car. No > thanks. > > Oh, hey, did I ever mention, one of the cars that went over 225,000 miles > was an auto. The rest were 5 speeds, and ya know what? They did it on the > original clutches. Never replaced a U-Joint, either, and I certainly don't > drive them like Grandpa. I own fast cars cause I like to drive FAST. > > > > no elephants in your refrigerator, so elephants don't like butter... |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:46:19 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:15 -0700, SMS wrote: >> >>> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >>> >>>> I'm old-school. I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil >>>> change. Then I do the next one at 3000 miles, and every 3-3500 after >>>> that. >>> Bad idea to do the first oil change at 1500 miles, and totally >>> unnecessary, with absolutely no benefit, of doing 3000 mile oil changes >>> after that. >> >> Been doing it for a long time. Seems to work. I have a couple of 20 year >> old cars here. >> >> >>>> I also had 3 cars go over 250,000 miles without burning oil. >>> LOL. with 3000 mile oil changes you never knew whether they burned oil >>> or not. >> >> 4 quarts going in, 4 quarts coming out, no smoke from the tailpipe. >> Sounds good to me. >> >>>> Of course, with newer cars and a V6, things are different now, but I >>>> would still take it pretty easy for the first 1500 miles, and stop and >>>> have the oil changed. >>> Never change the oil at 1500 miles on a new car. >> >> >> Why? I do it all the time and get rewarded with cars that go >200,000 >> miles with no oil related problems. > > you're such a bullshitter. if you're doing 1500 mile break-in changes > "all the time", you /must/ be buying new cars "all the time". so you > can't have "a couple of 20 year old cars here". or if you /do/ have the > 20 year old cars, you're not doing those break-in changes. Wanna bet? You act like you know a lot, but I'm beginning to think you don't know sh!t. Except for being a troll, of course. > > > >> Matter of fact, > > "fact"???? a "fact" is not something you make up to suit some story you > want to tell. Fact is, you're a dipweed. > > > >> no problems at all, >> hardly. > > apart from the loose wingnut behind the steering wheel. I could drive rings around you. I have over a million miles under my belt, in cars that I've had for 6 years or more. The only reason I was getting a new car every couple of years here and there is either because my wife wanted one, or some jackass like you that should be taking the bus would ruin one on me. > > > >> Maintenance is a wonderful thing. >> >> Phew... >> |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:54:26 -0700, SMS wrote:
> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:15 -0700, SMS wrote: >> >>> Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote: >>> >>>> I'm old-school. I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil >>>> change. Then I do the next one at 3000 miles, and every 3-3500 after >>>> that. >>> Bad idea to do the first oil change at 1500 miles, and totally >>> unnecessary, with absolutely no benefit, of doing 3000 mile oil changes >>> after that. >> >> Been doing it for a long time. Seems to work. I have a couple of 20 year >> old cars here. > > So why didn't you change the oil every 1000 miles or every 500 miles? It > would have had the same effect on longevity as 3000 mile oil changes or > 5000 mile oil changes. Don't you want to buy all the cheap insurance you > can buy? That added what, again? Now you're just being a jackass. > >>> Never change the oil at 1500 miles on a new car. >> >> >> Why? I do it all the time and get rewarded with cars that go >200,000 >> miles with no oil related problems. Matter of fact, no problems at all, >> hardly. > > You seem to think that getting 200,000 miles out of a car is some > spectacular achievement that requires doing far more maintenance than > necessary. Works for me. I've been getting high mileage on my cars since the early 70's. Not only that, but they LOOK new, too. I buy cars I like, and want to have them for a while. So I take care of them. The few that I have sold have gone to their owners in pristine shape and running like new. Some of us like to have nice things. > >> Maintenance is a wonderful thing. >> >> Phew... > > Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree that > there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil that > often. Gee, this expert just told you he routinely gets 225-270,000 miles out of his cars with no problems. Don't listen well, do you? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:46:39 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree that >> there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil that >> often. > > > whatever do you mean??? there's /huge/ benefit for the oilcos in > separating fools from their money! Hey, look! It's the meeting of the local Mensa chapter! How long have you two managed to keep a car running, and looking like brand new? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:48:00 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> Oh, hey, did I ever mention, one of the cars that went over 225,000 >> miles was an auto. The rest were 5 speeds, and ya know what? They did it >> on the original clutches. Never replaced a U-Joint, either, and I >> certainly don't drive them like Grandpa. I own fast cars cause I like to >> drive FAST. >> >> >> >> >> > no elephants in your refrigerator, so elephants don't like butter... It's logic like that that made this country what it is today... |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 06:22:58 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <4EPWj.11659$mc1.1854@trndny08>, > Hachiroku รยnรย`รยรยงรยN <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote: > >> I've seen people do the "Break it in like you're going to drive it" crap >> and have to do some pretty major repairs, not only to the engines, but >> to the transmissions, too. > > So what is your response when the Corvette engineers document that very > behavior as the desired state? They told my friend that when he bought his new Camaro. He bought it three days after I bought my new Corolla. He traded the car after 3.5 years with all kinds of trouble. I kept my Corolla for 6 years and got a new Corolla. That was 22 years ago, and I still have the replacement, and it still runs, and it still doesn't burn any oil. What does it take to convince you Three Stooges? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:47:34 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> This article says, "Learning from failures." >> >> Having never failed, no lesson need be learned. There are books and >> SMART people out there. I learn by doing and picking brains. I see yours >> is picked clean. >> >> >> > seems your reading comprehension isn't too strong. that may explain why > you can't follow written instructions, but it sure is scary to witness. I don't read blather. The first paragraph was enough. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:54:26 -0700, SMS wrote:
>> Maintenance is a wonderful thing. >> >> Phew... > > Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree that > there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil that > often. On my Corolla, I have 260,000 miles. That's 81 oil changes at about 3,200 miles between changes. At an average of $2/qt, that's $650. I buy filters in bulk, since I usually have two cars that use the same filter. I get genuine Toyota filters, by the case, for about $3.50 each. Over the life of the car I have had no oil related failures, it doesn't burn oil no blow-by, nothing. The engine responds like it did the day I bought the car. And if you average the life of the car, that works out to an oil change every 3 months. $650 sounds like cheap insurance to me. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ใใใใฏ wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:54:26 -0700, SMS wrote: > >>> Maintenance is a wonderful thing. >>> >>> Phew... >> Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree that >> there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil that >> often. > > On my Corolla, I have 260,000 miles. That's 81 oil changes at about 3,200 > miles between changes. At an average of $2/qt, that's $650. I buy filters > in bulk, since I usually have two cars that use the same filter. I get > genuine Toyota filters, by the case, for about $3.50 each. > > Over the life of the car I have had no oil related failures, it doesn't > burn oil no blow-by, nothing. The engine responds like it did the day I > bought the car. > > And if you average the life of the car, that works out to an oil change > every 3 months. > > $650 sounds like cheap insurance to me. Again, if you believe that 3000 mile oil changes are what is preserving your Corolla, then why don't you do even more and do oil changes every 1000 miles. There's just as much evidence that 1000 mile oil changes are more beneficial than 5000 mile oil changes than 3000 mule oil changes being more beneficial than 5000 mile oil changes (in both cases there is no evidence at all). You're throwing money away in an illogical and misguided belief that you're doing your engine a favor by changing the oil far more often than necessary. You'd have gotten the same service out of the Corolla doing the 5000 mile oil changes. You're talking about a Corolla here. They could mount guns on them and send them into battle as a tank. I know someone who routinely ran their Corolla 10,000 miles between oil changes and they still had over 200K miles on it whent they sold it 15 years later. You've somehow reached the erroneous conclusion that having no oil-related failures is due to changing the oil far more often than necessary. Yet if you ask any Toyota mechanic (or any independent mechanic for that matter) about the longevity of a Corolla maintained according the factory recommended schedule you'd also find no oil related failures. You need to learn to look at the big picture, and think logically. Don't draw baseless conclusions. In fact, you probably lost some of the engine life from you cars by changing the intitial oil too early, but again that's not something that you'll ever know for sure. |
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