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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:33:08 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> It's based on what's in the manuals for break-in. > > no it's not!!! you recommend ignoring what /is/ in the owner manual - > oil change interval - but you have no rationale!!! So? This thread was picked up in the Toyota group, where the OP asked specifically about a Highlannder. Here's what the Highlander Owner's manual says: *Drive gently and avoid high speeds.* Your vehicle does not need an elaborate break-in. But following a few simple steps for the first 1000 miles can add to the future economy and long life of your vehicle: Avoid full throttle acceleration when starting and driving. Avoid racing the engine. Try to avoid hard stops during the first 200 miles. Do not drive for a long time at any single speed, either fast or slow. Do not tow a trailer during the first 500 miles. ____________________________________________ So except for adding an oil change, what did I say that was outside these guidelines. Also, considering this is the first 3000 miles of the car's life, I would consider a 3,000 mile trip "severe driving conditions" and adjust accordingly. You change your oil every 7,500 miles whether it needs it or not? I do 3,000 miles. That's not in the manual, is it? As far as an extra oil change, I have rationale. And you're not rational. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:20:46 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>> I gave him the benefit of my experience. You, as usual, offer nothing. >>> Bull! I gave him the benefit of *my* experience and knowledge. And my >>> experience is that these trucks and cars are changing and evolving over >>> the years. There are newer and better oils, better manufacturing and >>> machining methods and better ways to assemble the engines, resulting in >>> different break-in requirements. >> >> Thanks. I'll stick to my way. Works for me. > > but you don't know that! all you know is that honda and toyota tolerate > you - they survive in spite of your behavior, not because of it!!! Are you a fool, or what?!?!? I guess the next new car I get, I'll screech the tires out of the dealership and then take it for a 100 mile rip on the freeway at 125 MPH, just because the Owner's Manual doesn't say not to do it. Actually, it does say not to, but according to you, I guess it would be ok. I like to be gentle on new mechanical components, and not take them to the 'recommended limits' in the first 1,000-1,500 miles. My God, are you obtuse. > > >> >> >>> The people who build the cars know more than you or I. >>> >>> What applies to cars made 10, 20 or 30 years ago may or may not apply to >>> cars made today. >> >> >> Pistons and rings still slide against cylinder walls. That still happens. >> And that's not including other systems in the vehicle. >> >>>> Matter of fact, I can't for the life of me ever remember when you >>>> actually did something other than question and obfuscate what others >>>> have said. >>> You must have a very limited life. >>> >>> However, questioning is far better than giving out-dated and incorrect >>> advice, as you did. >> >> Who says it's incorrect? The manual said basically the same thing 7, 12, >> 14 and 20 years ago. I was pointing out generalizations for breaking in >> any car, and as someone pointed out, they're still listed in the manual: >> avoid abrupt starts and stops, vary the speed, etc. Basically what I told >> the OP. With the exception of changing the oil at 1,500 miles. That's the >> only real departure I took from the manual. Unless the engine has a >> special 'break in' oil like a Honda, I don't see what the big deal is. > > "the deal" is that the engine needs to build up an amorphous > carbonaceous layer on the cylinder walls. you will have seen that when > taking the heads off engines. what you probably haven't done though is > do a micro hardness test on it to find that's it's very hard and that it > gives a good, low friction working surface for the cylinder wall. for > the engine to last well, that layer needs to build up quickly, but not > excessively. the best way to do it is to have a "dirty" oil keep > circulating fine soot/combustion product particles. hence, if you > change the first oil too soon, you delay build-up and the wear rate > stays higher, longer than it otherwise would. After about 1 million miles split between 4 cars, I think my method works just fine. > > > >> >> What it really comes down to is driving the car 3,000 miles pretty much at >> once. >> >> As usual, a molehill turns into a mountain with you. > > it's neither mountain nor molehill - it's just plain ignorant. if you > asked questions, that would be different. but instead you just voice > underinformed opinion - it's utterly worthless. The OP asked about taking a new car on a 3,000 mile trip, and if it was a bad idea. What I didn't say was, yeah, I think it's a bad idea, but if I had to do it, here's how I'd do it. If it's a Honda with the 'special break in oil', then yeah, skip the 1,500 oil change. If it's a Toyota, I'd change the oil. I have changed the oil. I've been rewarded with car that have lasted me up to 20 years. You appear to be an Educated Fool, merely for arguing. If you had said, "Hachi threw in a oil change that I would skip", OK, then I guess it doesn't need to be done. As far as an 'amorphous layer', it'll get there, don't worry. > > > >> >> >>>> If you leave tomorrow, I don't think you'd be missed. Don't let the door >>>> slap you... >>> You know, there is something called a filter, aka, kill file that comes >>> with newsgroups. Please feel free to put me on yours. >> >> Nah, I need a good laugh every day. >> >> >>> Jeff |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:23:55 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> And your advice to the OP was? > > i didn't offer any - it's already been said. "read the owner manual". But not for an extreme condition such as this. > > >> >> The guy's concerned about driving the car 3,000 nearly non-stop. He was >> looking for advice. You offer a pissing contest from a know-it-all. >> >> >> Here. Take another look: >>>>> there are small but >>>>> subtle changes to lip profiles that help with power and economy >> >>>> All the more reason to pay particular attention to the break in period, >>>> especially when driving long distances during that period. >> >> >> There. Does it make sense now, or are you that thick? > > but you're not making any sense. again. you don't know what you're > talking about. How many hours a day do you spend smacking your frontal lobes with a ball-peen hammer? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:37:06 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <m6mdncXetPIwIrjVnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@speakeasy.net> , > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > >> imagine these guys in aerospace: "yeah, but this guy said those cracks >> didn't matter". > > That's in' hilarious. I can just see the NASA engineers hitting up > Google, finding the space shuttle fanboi forums, and then listening to > them. Depends on where the cracks are, Some are tolerable, some aren't. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:04:10 +0000, Jeff wrote: > >> Hachiroku ハチク wrote: >>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:06:41 +0000, Jeff wrote: >>> >>>> hachiroku ハチク wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 14:58:03 +0000, Jeff wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> How do you know that the speeds that the cars were driven at had >>>>>> anything to do with these "strides"? And why would driving a car a >>>>>> particular speed cause this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you don't know what you're talking about. >>>>> I think I've probably broken in more new cars than you have. >>>>> >>>>> The manual also probably recommends changing the oil every 7.500 miles >>>>> whether it needs it or not. >>>> Seven and a half miles? Gee, my mechanic is more than 7.5 miles away. >>>> >>>>> I've had a half dozen successes with my method, and was trying to pass >>>>> on *experience* to the OP. Don't like it? Don't follow it! Simple! >>>> So was I, which is, follow the manual, not some guy you don't know on >>>> the internet. >>>> >>>> It has long been rumored that there are people who are totally clueless >>>> twits who write on the internet. >>>> >>>> So which makes more sense: To follow the advice of the people who >>>> actually build the cars or someone who may or may not know what they >>>> are talking about? >>>> >>>> Jeff >>> >>> You just gotta argue about everything, don't you? >>> >>> The guy's not talking about a gentle break in, he's talking about a >>> coast to coast trip with a new vehicle, presumably as quickly as >>> possible. >> Presumably? Well, considering that the guy posted about two different >> vehicles on two different newsgroups, I don't think there is a real >> purchase. > > IIRC, the original post said he was thinking about taking delivery of a > new (whatever). I would extrapolate the choice is between a Highlander and > a Pilot, similar vehicles, although I believe the Highlander is slightly > smaller. You recall correctly. However, he did also post the same question to the Honda newsgroup about a Pilot. Same exact message, except for the Pilot. >> >>> I gave him the benefit of my experience. You, as usual, offer nothing. >> Bull! I gave him the benefit of *my* experience and knowledge. And my >> experience is that these trucks and cars are changing and evolving over >> the years. There are newer and better oils, better manufacturing and >> machining methods and better ways to assemble the engines, resulting in >> different break-in requirements. > > Thanks. I'll stick to my way. Works for me. Perhaps it did. However, that doesn't mean it is right for today's vehicles. >> The people who build the cars know more than you or I. >> >> What applies to cars made 10, 20 or 30 years ago may or may not apply to >> cars made today. > > > Pistons and rings still slide against cylinder walls. That still happens. > And that's not including other systems in the vehicle. Just like when I used to bore and hone blocks myself. But today's cars and trucks have much closer clearances. >>> Matter of fact, I can't for the life of me ever remember when you >>> actually did something other than question and obfuscate what others >>> have said. >> You must have a very limited life. >> >> However, questioning is far better than giving out-dated and incorrect >> advice, as you did. > > Who says it's incorrect? The manual said basically the same thing 7, 12, > 14 and 20 years ago. 7 years ago? A lot has changed since then. > I was pointing out generalizations for breaking in > any car, Any old car made to yesterday's specs. > and as someone pointed out, they're still listed in the manual: > avoid abrupt starts and stops, vary the speed, etc. Actually, I don't recall anything about varying the speed. And avoiding the abrupt starts and stops was for the brakes. > Basically what I told > the OP. With the exception of changing the oil at 1,500 miles. That's the > only real departure I took from the manual. Unless the engine has a > special 'break in' oil like a Honda, I don't see what the big deal is. > > What it really comes down to is driving the car 3,000 miles pretty much at > once. No reason not to with today's engines. > As usual, a molehill turns into a mountain with you. You seem to be make a mountain. >>> If you leave tomorrow, I don't think you'd be missed. Don't let the door >>> slap you... >> You know, there is something called a filter, aka, kill file that comes >> with newsgroups. Please feel free to put me on yours. > > Nah, I need a good laugh every day. > > >> Jeff > |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:23:55 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>> And your advice to the OP was? >> i didn't offer any - it's already been said. "read the owner manual". > > But not for an extreme condition such as this. What extreme condition? Driving on the highway? That's a normal condition. In fact, highway driving is easier on an engine than city driving. Jeff <...> |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:54:15 +0000, Jeff wrote:
> > > and as someone pointed out, they're still listed in the manual: >> avoid abrupt starts and stops, vary the speed, etc. > > Actually, I don't recall anything about varying the speed. And avoiding > the abrupt starts and stops was for the brakes. Look at one of my posts to jim beam. I posted what I found from the Honda owner's manual, and from a Highlander. The Honda's didn't really say a lot, the Highlander did say not to drive the car at any one speed for a period of time. > >> Basically what I told >> the OP. With the exception of changing the oil at 1,500 miles. That's >> the only real departure I took from the manual. Unless the engine has a >> special 'break in' oil like a Honda, I don't see what the big deal is. >> >> What it really comes down to is driving the car 3,000 miles pretty much >> at once. > > No reason not to with today's engines. What's so much different? Still iron block and aluminum heads with steel pistons and rings. And everyone keeps throwing 'closer tolerances' at me. I would think it would be MORE important to take it easy the first couple thousand miles if walls are thinner, etc. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:57:24 +0000, Jeff wrote:
> Hachiroku wrote: >> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:23:55 -0700, jim beam wrote: >> >>>> And your advice to the OP was? >>> i didn't offer any - it's already been said. "read the owner manual". >> >> But not for an extreme condition such as this. > > What extreme condition? > > Driving on the highway? That's a normal condition. In fact, highway > driving is easier on an engine than city driving. > > Jeff > > <...> Read the excerpt from the Highlander Owner's Manual I posted. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:30:35 -0500, Joe wrote:
>> I gave him the benefit of my experience. You, as usual, offer nothing. >> >> Matter of fact, I can't for the life of me ever remember when you >> actually did something other than question and obfuscate what others >> have said. >> >> If you leave tomorrow, I don't think you'd be missed. Don't let the door >> slap you... >> >> >> > I don't think anyone has much of a problem with recommending a "gentle" > break in. What the issue was is your definition of it. jim beam sure does! I thnk if he were here he'd be coming at me with an axe... > > 1) 1000 Miles is plenty. And by Gentle, we mean no high RPM's, easy on > the jack-rabbit starts, and try to keep the RPM's moving around a bit. Yup. pretty much what I said... > > 2) The first Oil Change should NOT be done until the maintenance minder > says to do it. The oil in the car from the factory is specially > formulated to aid in break-in, and if you remove it prematurely, you could > do more harm than good. Toyota does not use a special break in oil. Unless they've changed in the last 3 years. Honda may; I asked a Honda service manager when I worked for a Honda/Toyota shop and he said, "Huh?" But, he had not been a *Honda* service manager for very long. A lot of people say it is a special oil. I'd be willing to bet the 'special break in oil' is Slick 50 or something similar. Anyone know? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:33:08 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>> It's based on what's in the manuals for break-in. >> no it's not!!! you recommend ignoring what /is/ in the owner manual - >> oil change interval - but you have no rationale!!! > > > So? This thread was picked up in the Toyota group, where the OP > asked specifically about a Highlannder. Here's what the Highlander Owner's > manual says: > > *Drive gently and avoid high speeds.* > > Your vehicle does not need an elaborate break-in. But following a few > simple steps for the first 1000 miles can add to the future economy and > long life of your vehicle: > > Avoid full throttle acceleration when starting and driving. > > Avoid racing the engine. > > Try to avoid hard stops during the first 200 miles. > > Do not drive for a long time at any single speed, either fast or slow. > > Do not tow a trailer during the first 500 miles. > > ____________________________________________ > > > So except for adding an oil change, what did I say that was outside these > guidelines. > > Also, considering this is the first 3000 miles of the car's life, I would > consider a 3,000 mile trip "severe driving conditions" and adjust > accordingly. tooling along the freeway is not "extreme". > > You change your oil every 7,500 miles whether it needs it or not? > I do 3,000 miles. That's not in the manual, is it? the question you really need to be asking yourself is this: "why do i pay attention to nameless nobodies and ignore the engineers and researchers that know what they're doing?" > > > As far as an extra oil change, I have rationale. no you don't, you have ignorance. by your logic, you'd go to a brain surgeon, then tell them they don't know what they're doing. some of the research that goes into modern cars is real rocket science. done by smart people that actually know what they're doing. and that's who you're saying they don't know what they're doing with your wasteful 3k mile oil change. > And you're not rational. so how's your dentist? are you better at their job than they are? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:30:35 -0500, Joe wrote: > >>> I gave him the benefit of my experience. You, as usual, offer nothing. >>> >>> Matter of fact, I can't for the life of me ever remember when you >>> actually did something other than question and obfuscate what others >>> have said. >>> >>> If you leave tomorrow, I don't think you'd be missed. Don't let the door >>> slap you... >>> >>> >>> >> I don't think anyone has much of a problem with recommending a "gentle" >> break in. What the issue was is your definition of it. > > jim beam sure does! I thnk if he were here he'd be coming at me with an > axe... dude, this is usenet. you're bullshitting and i'm calling you on it. if you don't like that, don't bullshit. > > >> 1) 1000 Miles is plenty. And by Gentle, we mean no high RPM's, easy on >> the jack-rabbit starts, and try to keep the RPM's moving around a bit. > > Yup. pretty much what I said... > >> 2) The first Oil Change should NOT be done until the maintenance minder >> says to do it. The oil in the car from the factory is specially >> formulated to aid in break-in, and if you remove it prematurely, you could >> do more harm than good. > > Toyota does not use a special break in oil. Unless they've changed in the > last 3 years. Honda may; I asked a Honda service manager when I worked for > a Honda/Toyota shop and he said, "Huh?" > > But, he had not been a *Honda* service manager for very long. A lot of > people say it is a special oil. > > I'd be willing to bet the 'special break in oil' is Slick 50 or something > similar. Anyone know? > > just keep on guessing - that'll really be a great contribution. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:20:46 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>>>> I gave him the benefit of my experience. You, as usual, offer nothing. >>>> Bull! I gave him the benefit of *my* experience and knowledge. And my >>>> experience is that these trucks and cars are changing and evolving over >>>> the years. There are newer and better oils, better manufacturing and >>>> machining methods and better ways to assemble the engines, resulting in >>>> different break-in requirements. >>> Thanks. I'll stick to my way. Works for me. >> but you don't know that! all you know is that honda and toyota tolerate >> you - they survive in spite of your behavior, not because of it!!! > > Are you a fool, or what?!?!? no, i'm a pedant with a low bullshit tolerance level. > > I guess the next new car I get, I'll screech the tires out of the > dealership and then take it for a 100 mile rip on the freeway at 125 MPH, > just because the Owner's Manual doesn't say not to do it. actually it does. "Avoid full-throttle starts and rapid acceleration." remember? [you should, you quoted it.] > > Actually, it does say not to, idiot. > but according to you, I guess it would be ok. don't put false words in my mouth. > I like to be gentle on new mechanical components, and not take them to the > 'recommended limits' in the first 1,000-1,500 miles. based on what? the owners manual? or your own research? > > My God, are you obtuse. i may indeed be. but relative to what? > > > >> >>> >>>> The people who build the cars know more than you or I. >>>> >>>> What applies to cars made 10, 20 or 30 years ago may or may not apply to >>>> cars made today. >>> >>> Pistons and rings still slide against cylinder walls. That still happens. >>> And that's not including other systems in the vehicle. >>> >>>>> Matter of fact, I can't for the life of me ever remember when you >>>>> actually did something other than question and obfuscate what others >>>>> have said. >>>> You must have a very limited life. >>>> >>>> However, questioning is far better than giving out-dated and incorrect >>>> advice, as you did. >>> Who says it's incorrect? The manual said basically the same thing 7, 12, >>> 14 and 20 years ago. I was pointing out generalizations for breaking in >>> any car, and as someone pointed out, they're still listed in the manual: >>> avoid abrupt starts and stops, vary the speed, etc. Basically what I told >>> the OP. With the exception of changing the oil at 1,500 miles. That's the >>> only real departure I took from the manual. Unless the engine has a >>> special 'break in' oil like a Honda, I don't see what the big deal is. >> "the deal" is that the engine needs to build up an amorphous >> carbonaceous layer on the cylinder walls. you will have seen that when >> taking the heads off engines. what you probably haven't done though is >> do a micro hardness test on it to find that's it's very hard and that it >> gives a good, low friction working surface for the cylinder wall. for >> the engine to last well, that layer needs to build up quickly, but not >> excessively. the best way to do it is to have a "dirty" oil keep >> circulating fine soot/combustion product particles. hence, if you >> change the first oil too soon, you delay build-up and the wear rate >> stays higher, longer than it otherwise would. > > After about 1 million miles split between 4 cars, I think my method works > just fine. how many cars??? pick a story and stick to it dude. if you want us to believe your numbers. > > >> >> >>> What it really comes down to is driving the car 3,000 miles pretty much at >>> once. >>> >>> As usual, a molehill turns into a mountain with you. >> it's neither mountain nor molehill - it's just plain ignorant. if you >> asked questions, that would be different. but instead you just voice >> underinformed opinion - it's utterly worthless. > > The OP asked about taking a new car on a 3,000 mile trip, and if it was a > bad idea. What I didn't say was, yeah, I think it's a bad idea, but if I > had to do it, here's how I'd do it. If it's a Honda with the 'special > break in oil', then yeah, skip the 1,500 oil change. If it's a Toyota, I'd > change the oil. I have changed the oil. I've been rewarded with car that > have lasted me up to 20 years. > > You appear to be an Educated Fool, merely for arguing. so it's wrong to correct misconception and bullshit? > > If you had said, "Hachi threw in a oil change that I would skip", OK, then > I guess it doesn't need to be done. as you'd know if you'd have bothered to read the owners manual! > As far as an 'amorphous layer', it'll > get there, don't worry. the point is, you're just repeating useless garbage with no purpose. in fact, it may even be harmful garbage. so, again, why do you do it? you can't back any of that stuff up - you're just repeating what you heard from some dude who heard it from another dude - and so on back to whenever. if you don't have definite knowledge, or you haven't studied this stuff, you're just wasting electrons and muddying the water. > > > > >> >> >>> >>>>> If you leave tomorrow, I don't think you'd be missed. Don't let the door >>>>> slap you... >>>> You know, there is something called a filter, aka, kill file that comes >>>> with newsgroups. Please feel free to put me on yours. >>> Nah, I need a good laugh every day. >>> >>> >>>> Jeff > |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:54:15 +0000, Jeff wrote: > >> > and as someone pointed out, they're still listed in the manual: >>> avoid abrupt starts and stops, vary the speed, etc. >> Actually, I don't recall anything about varying the speed. And avoiding >> the abrupt starts and stops was for the brakes. > > Look at one of my posts to jim beam. I posted what I found from the Honda > owner's manual, and from a Highlander. The Honda's didn't really say a > lot, the Highlander did say not to drive the car at any one speed for a > period of time. so what exactly is happening with the motor at one speed that's not happening at another? perhaps you can explain? > >>> Basically what I told >>> the OP. With the exception of changing the oil at 1,500 miles. That's >>> the only real departure I took from the manual. Unless the engine has a >>> special 'break in' oil like a Honda, I don't see what the big deal is. >>> >>> What it really comes down to is driving the car 3,000 miles pretty much >>> at once. >> No reason not to with today's engines. > > What's so much different? Still iron block and aluminum heads with steel > pistons and rings. hondas are aluminum block, but you don't let the details worry you much, do you? > > And everyone keeps throwing 'closer tolerances' at me. I would think it > would be MORE important to take it easy the first couple thousand miles if > walls are thinner, etc. "thinner"??? exactly what difference do you think that would make??? |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Badidea?
On Mon, 12 May 2008 19:19:10 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>> but you don't know that! all you know is that honda and toyota >>> tolerate you - they survive in spite of your behavior, not because of >>> it!!! >> >> Are you a fool, or what?!?!? > > no, i'm a pedant with a low bullshit tolerance level. I gave the guy a suggestion for breaking in a new car on a 3,000 mile trip. Where's the bullshit? > > > >> I guess the next new car I get, I'll screech the tires out of the >> dealership and then take it for a 100 mile rip on the freeway at 125 >> MPH, just because the Owner's Manual doesn't say not to do it. > > actually it does. "Avoid full-throttle starts and rapid acceleration." > remember? [you should, you quoted it.] > > > >> Actually, it does say not to, > > idiot. moron. > > > >> but according to you, I guess it would be ok. > > don't put false words in my mouth. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Badidea?
On Mon, 12 May 2008 19:19:26 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> Look at one of my posts to jim beam. I posted what I found from the >> Honda owner's manual, and from a Highlander. The Honda's didn't really >> say a lot, the Highlander did say not to drive the car at any one speed >> for a period of time. > > so what exactly is happening with the motor at one speed that's not > happening at another? perhaps you can explain? Gee, I don't know. Why do you suppose the Highlander's manual said to avoid at any one constant speed for an extended distance? Explain that one, Genius. > > > > >>>> Basically what I told >>>> the OP. With the exception of changing the oil at 1,500 miles. That's >>>> the only real departure I took from the manual. Unless the engine has >>>> a special 'break in' oil like a Honda, I don't see what the big deal >>>> is. >>>> >>>> What it really comes down to is driving the car 3,000 miles pretty >>>> much at once. >>> No reason not to with today's engines. >> >> What's so much different? Still iron block and aluminum heads with >> steel pistons and rings. > > hondas are aluminum block, but you don't let the details worry you much, > do you? I was answering in the Toyota group. It was crossposted. But, since aluminum is a much softer metal, I think I'd want to take a little care during the first thousand miles or so. > > > >> And everyone keeps throwing 'closer tolerances' at me. I would think it >> would be MORE important to take it easy the first couple thousand miles >> if walls are thinner, etc. > > "thinner"??? exactly what difference do you think that would make??? Gee, I dunno. Perhaps excessive wear caused by someone not being careful during break in would cause irrepairable damage, for example? Thinner walls means replacing the block rather than boring and honing. Speaking of boring... |
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