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Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Badidea?
On Mon, 12 May 2008 19:18:19 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> Hachiroku wrote: >> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:33:08 -0700, jim beam wrote: >> >>>> It's based on what's in the manuals for break-in. >>> no it's not!!! you recommend ignoring what /is/ in the owner manual - >>> oil change interval - but you have no rationale!!! >> >> >> So? This thread was picked up in the Toyota group, where the OP asked >> specifically about a Highlannder. Here's what the Highlander Owner's >> manual says: >> >> *Drive gently and avoid high speeds.* >> >> Your vehicle does not need an elaborate break-in. But following a few >> simple steps for the first 1000 miles can add to the future economy and >> long life of your vehicle: >> >> Avoid full throttle acceleration when starting and driving. >> >> Avoid racing the engine. >> >> Try to avoid hard stops during the first 200 miles. >> >> Do not drive for a long time at any single speed, either fast or slow. >> >> Do not tow a trailer during the first 500 miles. >> >> ____________________________________________ >> >> >> So except for adding an oil change, what did I say that was outside >> these guidelines. >> >> Also, considering this is the first 3000 miles of the car's life, I >> would consider a 3,000 mile trip "severe driving conditions" and adjust >> accordingly. > > tooling along the freeway is not "extreme". Let's review again: >> Do not drive for a long time at any single speed, either fast or slow. > > > >> You change your oil every 7,500 miles whether it needs it or not? I do >> 3,000 miles. That's not in the manual, is it? > > the question you really need to be asking yourself is this: > > "why do i pay attention to nameless nobodies I dunno. I guess I should have plonked you a while ago, like when I first ran into you. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
hachiroku wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 19:18:19 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >> Hachiroku wrote: >>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:33:08 -0700, jim beam wrote: >>> >>>>> It's based on what's in the manuals for break-in. >>>> no it's not!!! you recommend ignoring what /is/ in the owner manual - >>>> oil change interval - but you have no rationale!!! >>> >>> So? This thread was picked up in the Toyota group, where the OP asked >>> specifically about a Highlannder. Here's what the Highlander Owner's >>> manual says: >>> >>> *Drive gently and avoid high speeds.* >>> >>> Your vehicle does not need an elaborate break-in. But following a few >>> simple steps for the first 1000 miles can add to the future economy and >>> long life of your vehicle: >>> >>> Avoid full throttle acceleration when starting and driving. >>> >>> Avoid racing the engine. >>> >>> Try to avoid hard stops during the first 200 miles. >>> >>> Do not drive for a long time at any single speed, either fast or slow. >>> >>> Do not tow a trailer during the first 500 miles. >>> >>> ____________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> So except for adding an oil change, what did I say that was outside >>> these guidelines. >>> >>> Also, considering this is the first 3000 miles of the car's life, I >>> would consider a 3,000 mile trip "severe driving conditions" and adjust >>> accordingly. >> tooling along the freeway is not "extreme". > > > Let's review again: > >>> Do not drive for a long time at any single speed, either fast or slow. > >> >> >>> You change your oil every 7,500 miles whether it needs it or not? I do >>> 3,000 miles. That's not in the manual, is it? >> the question you really need to be asking yourself is this: >> >> "why do i pay attention to nameless nobodies > > I dunno. I guess I should have plonked you a while ago, like when I first > ran into you. > hmm. let's examine the logic: 1. you post underinformed crap. 2. i call you on it. 3. you killfile /me/ for /your/ ignorance. doesn't look good, does it! |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
hachiroku wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 19:19:26 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>> Look at one of my posts to jim beam. I posted what I found from the >>> Honda owner's manual, and from a Highlander. The Honda's didn't really >>> say a lot, the Highlander did say not to drive the car at any one speed >>> for a period of time. >> so what exactly is happening with the motor at one speed that's not >> happening at another? perhaps you can explain? > > Gee, I don't know. Why do you suppose the Highlander's manual said to > avoid at any one constant speed for an extended distance? > > Explain that one, Genius. i was hoping you'd tell me! > > >> >> >> >>>>> Basically what I told >>>>> the OP. With the exception of changing the oil at 1,500 miles. That's >>>>> the only real departure I took from the manual. Unless the engine has >>>>> a special 'break in' oil like a Honda, I don't see what the big deal >>>>> is. >>>>> >>>>> What it really comes down to is driving the car 3,000 miles pretty >>>>> much at once. >>>> No reason not to with today's engines. >>> What's so much different? Still iron block and aluminum heads with >>> steel pistons and rings. >> hondas are aluminum block, but you don't let the details worry you much, >> do you? > > I was answering in the Toyota group. It was crossposted. But, since > aluminum is a much softer metal, I think I'd want to take a little care > during the first thousand miles or so. it's an aluminum block, but it's not an aluminum liner!!! > > >> >> >>> And everyone keeps throwing 'closer tolerances' at me. I would think it >>> would be MORE important to take it easy the first couple thousand miles >>> if walls are thinner, etc. >> "thinner"??? exactly what difference do you think that would make??? > > Gee, I dunno. Perhaps excessive wear caused by someone not being careful > during break in would cause irrepairable damage, for example? to the aluminum block??? > > Thinner walls means replacing the block rather than boring and honing. dude, you're clueless. you can re-bore a standard honda block twice - +0.25mm & +0.50mm. > > Speaking of boring... > > you need to do some homework. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Badidea?
On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:23:49 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> Thinner walls means replacing the block rather than boring and honing. > > dude, you're clueless. you can re-bore a standard honda block twice - > +0.25mm & +0.50mm. I haven't re-bored anything on 4 cars >240,000 miles. No need to. They were broken in properly... |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Badidea?
On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:19:41 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>> Do not drive for a long time at any single speed, either fast or >>>> slow. >> >> >>> >>>> You change your oil every 7,500 miles whether it needs it or not? I >>>> do 3,000 miles. That's not in the manual, is it? >>> the question you really need to be asking yourself is this: >>> >>> "why do i pay attention to nameless nobodies >> >> I dunno. I guess I should have plonked you a while ago, like when I >> first ran into you. >> >> > hmm. let's examine the logic: > > 1. you post underinformed crap. > 2. i call you on it. > 3. you killfile /me/ for /your/ ignorance. > > doesn't look good, does it! Let's review again: I give OP good advice for breaking in a new car on a long trip. You come in waiving the manual. I point out the manual verifies 99% of what I told the OP. You question the manual. You say to me, "the question you really need to be asking yourself is this: "why do i pay attention to nameless nobodies"" I ask myself that question and wonder aloud why I haven't plonked you. No, you're right. It sure doesn't look good. I'd give up if I were you... Are you any relation to Smirmoff? He has a tendancy to think in RPN also... |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:23:49 -0700, jim beam wrote: > > >>> Thinner walls means replacing the block rather than boring and honing. >> dude, you're clueless. you can re-bore a standard honda block twice - >> +0.25mm & +0.50mm. > > I haven't re-bored anything on 4 cars >240,000 miles. No need to. > > They were broken in properly... > that's as logical as saying that because you've never found an elephant in your fridge, that elephants don't like butter. high mileage survival is not a function of your, er, "departure" from the service schedule - hondas and toyotas ROUTINELY get 300k+ miles on a motor, no re-bores. all that 240k proves is that [because of good production and engineering] it has survived in spite of your behavior, not because of it. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:19:41 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>>>> Do not drive for a long time at any single speed, either fast or >>>>> slow. >>> >>>>> You change your oil every 7,500 miles whether it needs it or not? I >>>>> do 3,000 miles. That's not in the manual, is it? >>>> the question you really need to be asking yourself is this: >>>> >>>> "why do i pay attention to nameless nobodies >>> I dunno. I guess I should have plonked you a while ago, like when I >>> first ran into you. >>> >>> >> hmm. let's examine the logic: >> >> 1. you post underinformed crap. >> 2. i call you on it. >> 3. you killfile /me/ for /your/ ignorance. >> >> doesn't look good, does it! > > Let's review again: > > I give OP good advice for breaking in a new car on a long trip. > You come in waiving the manual. > I point out the manual verifies 99% of what I told the OP. > You question the manual. > > You say to me, "the question you really need to be asking yourself is > this: "why do i pay attention to nameless nobodies"" > > I ask myself that question and wonder aloud why I haven't plonked you. > > No, you're right. It sure doesn't look good. I'd give up if I were you... eh? so your problem is still my fault? > > Are you any relation to Smirmoff? He has a tendancy to think in RPN > also... > if you could actually use rpn, you wouldn't be here. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:06:08 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> hachiroku ハチク wrote: >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:23:49 -0700, jim beam wrote: >> >> >>>> Thinner walls means replacing the block rather than boring and honing. >>> dude, you're clueless. you can re-bore a standard honda block twice - >>> +0.25mm & +0.50mm. >> >> I haven't re-bored anything on 4 cars >240,000 miles. No need to. >> >> They were broken in properly... >> >> > that's as logical as saying that because you've never found an elephant in > your fridge, that elephants don't like butter. > > high mileage survival is not a function of your, er, "departure" from the > service schedule - hondas and toyotas ROUTINELY get 300k+ miles on a > motor, no re-bores. all that 240k proves is that [because of good > production and engineering] it has survived in spite of your behavior, not > because of it. <YAWN> Admit it, I'm right. Period. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:06:25 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> >> I ask myself that question and wonder aloud why I haven't plonked you. >> >> No, you're right. It sure doesn't look good. I'd give up if I were >> you... > > eh? so your problem is still my fault? No, if you read it correctly, you're still my problem > > > > >> Are you any relation to Smirmoff? He has a tendancy to think in RPN >> also... >> >> > if you could actually use rpn, you wouldn't be here. We all used RPN back then. And slide rules before that. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:06:08 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >> hachiroku ハチク wrote: >>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:23:49 -0700, jim beam wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> Thinner walls means replacing the block rather than boring and honing. >>>> dude, you're clueless. you can re-bore a standard honda block twice - >>>> +0.25mm & +0.50mm. >>> I haven't re-bored anything on 4 cars >240,000 miles. No need to. >>> >>> They were broken in properly... >>> >>> >> that's as logical as saying that because you've never found an elephant in >> your fridge, that elephants don't like butter. >> >> high mileage survival is not a function of your, er, "departure" from the >> service schedule - hondas and toyotas ROUTINELY get 300k+ miles on a >> motor, no re-bores. all that 240k proves is that [because of good >> production and engineering] it has survived in spite of your behavior, not >> because of it. > > > <YAWN> Admit it, I'm right. Period. dude, you don't know what you don't know. and because of that, you're propagating bullshit. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:06:25 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >>> I ask myself that question and wonder aloud why I haven't plonked you. >>> >>> No, you're right. It sure doesn't look good. I'd give up if I were >>> you... >> eh? so your problem is still my fault? > > No, if you read it correctly, you're still my problem i'm not your problem! your ignorance and subsequent bullshit is your problem! >> >> >> >>> Are you any relation to Smirmoff? He has a tendancy to think in RPN >>> also... >>> >>> >> if you could actually use rpn, you wouldn't be here. > > We all used RPN back then. who's "we"? > > And slide rules before that. > so you're an old fart. how is it possible to reach that age without learning anything? missing gene perhaps? http://www.tfot.info/news/1094/some-...ver-learn.html |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
Hachiroku ハチク wrote:
> I'm old-school. I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil change. > Then I do the next one at 3000 miles, and every 3-3500 after that. Bad idea to do the first oil change at 1500 miles, and totally unnecessary, with absolutely no benefit, of doing 3000 mile oil changes after that. > I also had 3 cars go over 250,000 miles without burning oil. LOL. with 3000 mile oil changes you never knew whether they burned oil or not. > Of course, with newer cars and a V6, things are different now, but I would > still take it pretty easy for the first 1500 miles, and stop and have the > oil changed. Never change the oil at 1500 miles on a new car. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:15 -0700, SMS wrote:
> Hachiroku ハチク wrote: > >> I'm old-school. I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil >> change. Then I do the next one at 3000 miles, and every 3-3500 after >> that. > > Bad idea to do the first oil change at 1500 miles, and totally > unnecessary, with absolutely no benefit, of doing 3000 mile oil changes > after that. Been doing it for a long time. Seems to work. I have a couple of 20 year old cars here. > >> I also had 3 cars go over 250,000 miles without burning oil. > > LOL. with 3000 mile oil changes you never knew whether they burned oil or > not. 4 quarts going in, 4 quarts coming out, no smoke from the tailpipe. Sounds good to me. > >> Of course, with newer cars and a V6, things are different now, but I >> would still take it pretty easy for the first 1500 miles, and stop and >> have the oil changed. > > Never change the oil at 1500 miles on a new car. Why? I do it all the time and get rewarded with cars that go >200,000 miles with no oil related problems. Matter of fact, no problems at all, hardly. Maintenance is a wonderful thing. Phew... |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:49:58 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>> high mileage survival is not a function of your, er, "departure" from >>> the service schedule - hondas and toyotas ROUTINELY get 300k+ miles on >>> a motor, no re-bores. all that 240k proves is that [because of good >>> production and engineering] it has survived in spite of your behavior, >>> not because of it. >> >> >> <YAWN> Admit it, I'm right. Period. > > dude, you don't know what you don't know. and because of that, you're > propagating bullshit. Bite me. I know plenty. I have 3 20 year old cars here that run like champs. Maintenance is a wonderful thing. I sure hope the OP left long before you started your spew. If he listens to you he'll probably be scrapping the car at 50,000 miles. I've seen people do the "Break it in like you're going to drive it" crap and have to do some pretty major repairs, not only to the engines, but to the transmissions, too. Oh, and I change my trans oil (Manual) every 60,000 miles, too. The manual says it's good for the life of the car. No thanks. Oh, hey, did I ever mention, one of the cars that went over 225,000 miles was an auto. The rest were 5 speeds, and ya know what? They did it on the original clutches. Never replaced a U-Joint, either, and I certainly don't drive them like Grandpa. I own fast cars cause I like to drive FAST. |
Re: Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?
On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:53:23 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>> if you could actually use rpn, you wouldn't be here. >> >> We all used RPN back then. > > who's "we"? Those of us with brains. > > > >> And slide rules before that. >> >> > so you're an old fart. how is it possible to reach that age without > learning anything? missing gene perhaps? By not listening to know-it-alls. > > http://www.tfot.info/news/1094/some-...ver-learn.html |
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