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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
In article <1145594735.502551.294950@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>,
"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote: > I know about this plant, saw it on CNN I think, it is a great idea but > they need about 30 maybe 40 or more. Start building them right now and > our dependence on crude will start to go away. The coal town will come > back, my only hope is that the great amounts will also be spent to take > care of the miners. Safety and health and a better way to get this coal > out. Our current coal mining ideas are probably very old compared to > what they could be if more money was spent on research. > > Gerald It won't happen because of the environmental laws. Hell they have a tough time just upgrading the existing facilities. -- "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." -- Vice President Al Gore |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
On 4/20/2006 10:48 PM Jeff spake these words of knowledge:
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are >> free to do your own search to find what I found. > > In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words. > > Jeff Jeff, step away from the troll. Just quit replying to him; it's not like he's going to start making sense all of a sudden. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- C: the power of assembler with the flexibility of assembler. |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
On 4/20/2006 10:48 PM Jeff spake these words of knowledge:
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are >> free to do your own search to find what I found. > > In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words. > > Jeff Jeff, step away from the troll. Just quit replying to him; it's not like he's going to start making sense all of a sudden. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- C: the power of assembler with the flexibility of assembler. |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
On 4/20/2006 10:48 PM Jeff spake these words of knowledge:
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are >> free to do your own search to find what I found. > > In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words. > > Jeff Jeff, step away from the troll. Just quit replying to him; it's not like he's going to start making sense all of a sudden. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- C: the power of assembler with the flexibility of assembler. |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
Why not post a source that disputes what was posted before making a personal
attack? mike hunt "Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:VG32g.1217$5b2.485@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > On 4/20/2006 10:48 PM Jeff spake these words of knowledge: > >> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >> news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are >>> free to do your own search to find what I found. >> >> In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words. >> >> Jeff > > Jeff, step away from the troll. Just quit replying to him; it's not like > he's going to start making sense all of a sudden. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen > -- > C: the power of assembler with the flexibility of assembler. |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
Why not post a source that disputes what was posted before making a personal
attack? mike hunt "Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:VG32g.1217$5b2.485@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > On 4/20/2006 10:48 PM Jeff spake these words of knowledge: > >> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >> news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are >>> free to do your own search to find what I found. >> >> In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words. >> >> Jeff > > Jeff, step away from the troll. Just quit replying to him; it's not like > he's going to start making sense all of a sudden. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen > -- > C: the power of assembler with the flexibility of assembler. |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
Why not post a source that disputes what was posted before making a personal
attack? mike hunt "Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:VG32g.1217$5b2.485@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > On 4/20/2006 10:48 PM Jeff spake these words of knowledge: > >> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >> news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are >>> free to do your own search to find what I found. >> >> In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words. >> >> Jeff > > Jeff, step away from the troll. Just quit replying to him; it's not like > he's going to start making sense all of a sudden. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen > -- > C: the power of assembler with the flexibility of assembler. |
Re: The are Buildlng a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant in PA
That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the process
competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative fuels just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money. mike hunt "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1145595224.588709.196260@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > This project really is a good idea but needs to be expanded way past > one plant.. It is real and we will all benifet. > > Gerald > |
Re: The are Buildlng a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant in PA
That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the process
competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative fuels just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money. mike hunt "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1145595224.588709.196260@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > This project really is a good idea but needs to be expanded way past > one plant.. It is real and we will all benifet. > > Gerald > |
Re: The are Buildlng a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant in PA
That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the process
competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative fuels just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money. mike hunt "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1145595224.588709.196260@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com... > This project really is a good idea but needs to be expanded way past > one plant.. It is real and we will all benifet. > > Gerald > |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
Had you been watching things in the seventies when President Carter tried to
regulate the distribution of motor fuels, you would have seen that attempting to control supply or prices, as did President Nixon only led to shortages. In a free economy the best conservator is price. Price is the only way to reduce the INCREASE in the consumption of oil and its products. What is controlling the price today is increased demand and the commodities market speculators making the money off of that growth in demand. mike hunt "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1145594260.027253.23110@e56g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com... > Price freeze... Anything over the purchased price plus a percentage of > profit determide by the governement. Our current crisis calls for it > and it includes plently for R&D and building new refinerys. > > No tri lateral thing going on here but a bunch of oil exec's that knew > what might happen in the future, called forcasting and rather then be a > percentage about what could fail, they were a percent below what could > fail. 3.09 a gallon here in Wisconsin now. Summer is a couple of months > away. We have not hit the peak yet. Something will happen to change > things I can tell you that much. Allot of jobs are on the line right > now. It is good for the democrates though keeping the gas price high, > makes the right look like dummies. > > Gerald > |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
Had you been watching things in the seventies when President Carter tried to
regulate the distribution of motor fuels, you would have seen that attempting to control supply or prices, as did President Nixon only led to shortages. In a free economy the best conservator is price. Price is the only way to reduce the INCREASE in the consumption of oil and its products. What is controlling the price today is increased demand and the commodities market speculators making the money off of that growth in demand. mike hunt "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1145594260.027253.23110@e56g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com... > Price freeze... Anything over the purchased price plus a percentage of > profit determide by the governement. Our current crisis calls for it > and it includes plently for R&D and building new refinerys. > > No tri lateral thing going on here but a bunch of oil exec's that knew > what might happen in the future, called forcasting and rather then be a > percentage about what could fail, they were a percent below what could > fail. 3.09 a gallon here in Wisconsin now. Summer is a couple of months > away. We have not hit the peak yet. Something will happen to change > things I can tell you that much. Allot of jobs are on the line right > now. It is good for the democrates though keeping the gas price high, > makes the right look like dummies. > > Gerald > |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
Had you been watching things in the seventies when President Carter tried to
regulate the distribution of motor fuels, you would have seen that attempting to control supply or prices, as did President Nixon only led to shortages. In a free economy the best conservator is price. Price is the only way to reduce the INCREASE in the consumption of oil and its products. What is controlling the price today is increased demand and the commodities market speculators making the money off of that growth in demand. mike hunt "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1145594260.027253.23110@e56g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com... > Price freeze... Anything over the purchased price plus a percentage of > profit determide by the governement. Our current crisis calls for it > and it includes plently for R&D and building new refinerys. > > No tri lateral thing going on here but a bunch of oil exec's that knew > what might happen in the future, called forcasting and rather then be a > percentage about what could fail, they were a percent below what could > fail. 3.09 a gallon here in Wisconsin now. Summer is a couple of months > away. We have not hit the peak yet. Something will happen to change > things I can tell you that much. Allot of jobs are on the line right > now. It is good for the democrates though keeping the gas price high, > makes the right look like dummies. > > Gerald > |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
I guess we can assume you did not find a source to support you contention?
mike hunt "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7CY1g.6575$Es3.2294@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net... > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are >> free to do your own search to find what I found. > > In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words. > > Jeff > >> mike hunt >> >> >> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:T7O1g.6371$Es3.782@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net... >>> >>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>> news:qxSdnSZaXJJwONrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>> Think about it. If one can not pump any more gasoline through the >>>> distribution system because the demand is cut in half, one does not >>>> have any tanks left to store the gasoline, that comes out of a barrel >>>> of oil before one get to the really profitable carbon products, what do >>>> you think they will have to do with the gasoline? ;) >>> >>> I didn't ask you to think about it. I asked for evidence. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>>> mike hunt >>>> >>>> >>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4yC1g.9166$i41.2725@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net... >>>>> >>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:pSadnXMgH7CpW9vZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>>>> That is a good idea, the only problem is it will not solve the >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> It will reduce the INCREASE in the amount of oil we import but not >>>>>> our >>>>>> need for the fast amounts of crude we use to fuel the various >>>>>> economies of >>>>>> the world. Gasoline is only a small part of why we need to import >>>>>> crude. >>>> >>>>>> If every >>>>>> vehicle in the US miraculously got twice as many miles per gallon >>>>>> some day >>>>>> we would still need crude for it carbon stocks and the excess >>>>>> gasoline >>>>>> would simply be burned off at the refineries, as it was before it >>>>>> became a >>>>>> motor fuel. >>>>> >>>>> Please give us evidence that excess gasoline would just be burned off. >>>>> >>>>> I mean, before it became a motor fuel? That was when? In 1896? >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
I guess we can assume you did not find a source to support you contention?
mike hunt "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7CY1g.6575$Es3.2294@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net... > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are >> free to do your own search to find what I found. > > In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words. > > Jeff > >> mike hunt >> >> >> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:T7O1g.6371$Es3.782@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net... >>> >>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>> news:qxSdnSZaXJJwONrZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>> Think about it. If one can not pump any more gasoline through the >>>> distribution system because the demand is cut in half, one does not >>>> have any tanks left to store the gasoline, that comes out of a barrel >>>> of oil before one get to the really profitable carbon products, what do >>>> you think they will have to do with the gasoline? ;) >>> >>> I didn't ask you to think about it. I asked for evidence. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>>> mike hunt >>>> >>>> >>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4yC1g.9166$i41.2725@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net... >>>>> >>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:pSadnXMgH7CpW9vZUSdV9g@ptd.net... >>>>>> That is a good idea, the only problem is it will not solve the >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> It will reduce the INCREASE in the amount of oil we import but not >>>>>> our >>>>>> need for the fast amounts of crude we use to fuel the various >>>>>> economies of >>>>>> the world. Gasoline is only a small part of why we need to import >>>>>> crude. >>>> >>>>>> If every >>>>>> vehicle in the US miraculously got twice as many miles per gallon >>>>>> some day >>>>>> we would still need crude for it carbon stocks and the excess >>>>>> gasoline >>>>>> would simply be burned off at the refineries, as it was before it >>>>>> became a >>>>>> motor fuel. >>>>> >>>>> Please give us evidence that excess gasoline would just be burned off. >>>>> >>>>> I mean, before it became a motor fuel? That was when? In 1896? >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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