Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

I think allot of states with the coal would Love to have it in their
backyard. Those states have been depressed for a long time now.

Gerald

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

So right Jeff. I live in No California and I know people on limited
incomes will drive 8 or 10 miles each way to by 6 gallons of gasoline
to save a couple of cents/gallon.

Until it really hurts to buy gasoline, no one will conserve nor will
anyone even consider proper alternatives.

Hurt level probably double today's price, IMHO. Till then we'll keep
sucking oil from non-home sources.

Ron

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

So right Jeff. I live in No California and I know people on limited
incomes will drive 8 or 10 miles each way to by 6 gallons of gasoline
to save a couple of cents/gallon.

Until it really hurts to buy gasoline, no one will conserve nor will
anyone even consider proper alternatives.

Hurt level probably double today's price, IMHO. Till then we'll keep
sucking oil from non-home sources.

Ron

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

So right Jeff. I live in No California and I know people on limited
incomes will drive 8 or 10 miles each way to by 6 gallons of gasoline
to save a couple of cents/gallon.

Until it really hurts to buy gasoline, no one will conserve nor will
anyone even consider proper alternatives.

Hurt level probably double today's price, IMHO. Till then we'll keep
sucking oil from non-home sources.

Ron

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

I'm with you on the mass transit idea, the only problem being is that
ours sucks! We are just to plain greedy to invest in a good idea. I was
born in New York City where they did have the brains to invest in it
and it works great! They did have their hard time in NYC but recovered
nicely and it's one of the best transit systems in the world.

Gerald

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

I'm with you on the mass transit idea, the only problem being is that
ours sucks! We are just to plain greedy to invest in a good idea. I was
born in New York City where they did have the brains to invest in it
and it works great! They did have their hard time in NYC but recovered
nicely and it's one of the best transit systems in the world.

Gerald

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

I'm with you on the mass transit idea, the only problem being is that
ours sucks! We are just to plain greedy to invest in a good idea. I was
born in New York City where they did have the brains to invest in it
and it works great! They did have their hard time in NYC but recovered
nicely and it's one of the best transit systems in the world.

Gerald

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:MCqdnQD-CvwbXNvZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> No need to wait, the President has already provided 100 million in federal
> money to do almost exactly that, as part of his plan to reduce our
> dependency on imported crude. It is not gasoline from coal but clean
> burning, low sulfur, diesel fuel.
>
> A plant is being built as we speak in Schuylkill County Pennsylvania that
> will convert coal calm (waste coal) into fuel to be used by the state of
> Pennsylvania. Eastern Pennsylvania has the world largest reserves of
> clean burning low sulfur anthracite coal. Using new coal would be more
> costly than using culm. Even producing diesel fuel from waste coal cost
> much more the conventional fuel oil and much more than it would coat to
> produce gasoline. The only thing that is making that plant cost effective
> is the Company has been given a ten year tax exemption, under
> Pennsylvania's Keystone development plan that is designed to return "brown
> fields," polluted areas, into tax producing lands. In addition the diesel
> fuel will not be taxed by the state of federal government. The current
> federal tax is .185c per gallon and the Pa state tax is .26C

That is like 0.1% of the price of gasoline. Gasoline is now around 300 c
($3.00), and the total taxes are 0.445c or less than 1/2 a cent. I would
have thought they would be more.

> The sad part is even at $70 a barrel gasoline is still so cheap as a
> motor fuel that crude will need to go over $100 a barrel before ANY of the
> alternate fuel will cost less and can be sold at a profit.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...usinessEthanol is made for less money than gasoline in Brasil. Quantities arelimited, of course.It took something like 20 years for Brasil to get to the point where it wasable to begin replace gasoline with ethanol. It will take a long time in theUS, too. One of the big problems is that corn and some other crops depletethe soil of nutrients and water.So ethanol is far from a perfect solution.> Search "The Bud Angst Report » Blog Archive » PA Leads With Coal-to-OilSolution To Address Energy Needs">>> mike hunt>>>> "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in messagenews:Xns97AAB7EE1F223pettyfogery@207.115.17 .102...>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:>>>>> The People of the United States could build a people-owned coal-to-oil>>> conversion plant>>>>> I'm waiting, Mr. President. >>> But you would still be an idiot!>> I think 'people-owned' is significant... Aint no crooks in them communes,>> no-sir!>>>> Life is so simple for the simple minded...>>>>>> -->> Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price>> you pay..DEAL with it!>>>

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:MCqdnQD-CvwbXNvZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> No need to wait, the President has already provided 100 million in federal
> money to do almost exactly that, as part of his plan to reduce our
> dependency on imported crude. It is not gasoline from coal but clean
> burning, low sulfur, diesel fuel.
>
> A plant is being built as we speak in Schuylkill County Pennsylvania that
> will convert coal calm (waste coal) into fuel to be used by the state of
> Pennsylvania. Eastern Pennsylvania has the world largest reserves of
> clean burning low sulfur anthracite coal. Using new coal would be more
> costly than using culm. Even producing diesel fuel from waste coal cost
> much more the conventional fuel oil and much more than it would coat to
> produce gasoline. The only thing that is making that plant cost effective
> is the Company has been given a ten year tax exemption, under
> Pennsylvania's Keystone development plan that is designed to return "brown
> fields," polluted areas, into tax producing lands. In addition the diesel
> fuel will not be taxed by the state of federal government. The current
> federal tax is .185c per gallon and the Pa state tax is .26C

That is like 0.1% of the price of gasoline. Gasoline is now around 300 c
($3.00), and the total taxes are 0.445c or less than 1/2 a cent. I would
have thought they would be more.

> The sad part is even at $70 a barrel gasoline is still so cheap as a
> motor fuel that crude will need to go over $100 a barrel before ANY of the
> alternate fuel will cost less and can be sold at a profit.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...usinessEthanol is made for less money than gasoline in Brasil. Quantities arelimited, of course.It took something like 20 years for Brasil to get to the point where it wasable to begin replace gasoline with ethanol. It will take a long time in theUS, too. One of the big problems is that corn and some other crops depletethe soil of nutrients and water.So ethanol is far from a perfect solution.> Search "The Bud Angst Report » Blog Archive » PA Leads With Coal-to-OilSolution To Address Energy Needs">>> mike hunt>>>> "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in messagenews:Xns97AAB7EE1F223pettyfogery@207.115.17 .102...>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:>>>>> The People of the United States could build a people-owned coal-to-oil>>> conversion plant>>>>> I'm waiting, Mr. President. >>> But you would still be an idiot!>> I think 'people-owned' is significant... Aint no crooks in them communes,>> no-sir!>>>> Life is so simple for the simple minded...>>>>>> -->> Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price>> you pay..DEAL with it!>>>

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:MCqdnQD-CvwbXNvZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> No need to wait, the President has already provided 100 million in federal
> money to do almost exactly that, as part of his plan to reduce our
> dependency on imported crude. It is not gasoline from coal but clean
> burning, low sulfur, diesel fuel.
>
> A plant is being built as we speak in Schuylkill County Pennsylvania that
> will convert coal calm (waste coal) into fuel to be used by the state of
> Pennsylvania. Eastern Pennsylvania has the world largest reserves of
> clean burning low sulfur anthracite coal. Using new coal would be more
> costly than using culm. Even producing diesel fuel from waste coal cost
> much more the conventional fuel oil and much more than it would coat to
> produce gasoline. The only thing that is making that plant cost effective
> is the Company has been given a ten year tax exemption, under
> Pennsylvania's Keystone development plan that is designed to return "brown
> fields," polluted areas, into tax producing lands. In addition the diesel
> fuel will not be taxed by the state of federal government. The current
> federal tax is .185c per gallon and the Pa state tax is .26C

That is like 0.1% of the price of gasoline. Gasoline is now around 300 c
($3.00), and the total taxes are 0.445c or less than 1/2 a cent. I would
have thought they would be more.

> The sad part is even at $70 a barrel gasoline is still so cheap as a
> motor fuel that crude will need to go over $100 a barrel before ANY of the
> alternate fuel will cost less and can be sold at a profit.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...usinessEthanol is made for less money than gasoline in Brasil. Quantities arelimited, of course.It took something like 20 years for Brasil to get to the point where it wasable to begin replace gasoline with ethanol. It will take a long time in theUS, too. One of the big problems is that corn and some other crops depletethe soil of nutrients and water.So ethanol is far from a perfect solution.> Search "The Bud Angst Report » Blog Archive » PA Leads With Coal-to-OilSolution To Address Energy Needs">>> mike hunt>>>> "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in messagenews:Xns97AAB7EE1F223pettyfogery@207.115.17 .102...>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:>>>>> The People of the United States could build a people-owned coal-to-oil>>> conversion plant>>>>> I'm waiting, Mr. President. >>> But you would still be an idiot!>> I think 'people-owned' is significant... Aint no crooks in them communes,>> no-sir!>>>> Life is so simple for the simple minded...>>>>>> -->> Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price>> you pay..DEAL with it!>>>

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

Nomen?

First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
U.S.S.R.
That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
Russia... She is wonderful...

Gerald

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

Nomen?

First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
U.S.S.R.
That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
Russia... She is wonderful...

Gerald

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

Nomen?

First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
U.S.S.R.
That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
Russia... She is wonderful...

Gerald

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"ron" <really good@serviceu.com> wrote in message
news:N%C1g.12689$4L1.4306@newssvr11.news.prodigy.c om...
> So right Jeff. I live in No California and I know people on limited
> incomes will drive 8 or 10 miles each way to by 6 gallons of gasoline to
> save a couple of cents/gallon.
>
> Until it really hurts to buy gasoline, no one will conserve nor will
> anyone even consider proper alternatives.
>
> Hurt level probably double today's price, IMHO. Till then we'll keep
> sucking oil from non-home sources.

Hurt level depends on wealth and income. If gas double in price, I would
still go where i want to go. But there are people who can't afford to go
where they want to go now. What I think we will see happening is that the
economy will slow down because poor people can't afford to buy as much and
the price of plastics and other petroleum-based goods will go up. In
addition, people will start buying more fuel-efficent cars in the next few
years, if the gas prices don't fall back to less than $2.00 per gallon. Very
few people will rush to trade in their SUVs for small cars, but when the
time comes, more people will buy small cars (and some will even buy
hybrids).

Jeff

> Ron

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"ron" <really good@serviceu.com> wrote in message
news:N%C1g.12689$4L1.4306@newssvr11.news.prodigy.c om...
> So right Jeff. I live in No California and I know people on limited
> incomes will drive 8 or 10 miles each way to by 6 gallons of gasoline to
> save a couple of cents/gallon.
>
> Until it really hurts to buy gasoline, no one will conserve nor will
> anyone even consider proper alternatives.
>
> Hurt level probably double today's price, IMHO. Till then we'll keep
> sucking oil from non-home sources.

Hurt level depends on wealth and income. If gas double in price, I would
still go where i want to go. But there are people who can't afford to go
where they want to go now. What I think we will see happening is that the
economy will slow down because poor people can't afford to buy as much and
the price of plastics and other petroleum-based goods will go up. In
addition, people will start buying more fuel-efficent cars in the next few
years, if the gas prices don't fall back to less than $2.00 per gallon. Very
few people will rush to trade in their SUVs for small cars, but when the
time comes, more people will buy small cars (and some will even buy
hybrids).

Jeff

> Ron