Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

Well I don't beleive that much. There was a town in Texas what during
the early 1900's that fell victim to a storm also. I wish I could
remember the name now, Agausta comes to mind. They got nuked by mother
nature also but they came back to rebuild but they build something that
could almost not be knocked down. New Orleans needs to do the same
project but with the engineers and also add to this idea would be to
get the envirorment to work as it had sice the 1700's or before. The
current system is and was a joke for many years. A better idea would
put many people to work and save history in my view. Yes they need to
deal with the wetland problem, it is because the screwed this idea up
that they had as big a problem as they did last year. Yeah.. a little
crazy tonight...

Gerald

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4yC1g.9166$i41.2725@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:pSadnXMgH7CpW9vZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> That is a good idea, the only problem is it will not solve the problem.
>> It will reduce the INCREASE in the amount of oil we import but not our
>> need for the fast amounts of crude we use to fuel the various economies
>> of
>> the world. Gasoline is only a small part of why we need to import crude.
>
> According the DOE, almost half of the crude oil is refined into gasoline,
> hardly "only a small part."
>
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/gas04/gasoline.htm

I should have added that not only is a lot of the crude oil that we import
refined into gasoline, but we also import around 1,000,000 barrels a day of
gasoline:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...RGY-STOCKS.xml.

This is, in part, because of lost capacity post Katrina.

jeff

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4yC1g.9166$i41.2725@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:pSadnXMgH7CpW9vZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> That is a good idea, the only problem is it will not solve the problem.
>> It will reduce the INCREASE in the amount of oil we import but not our
>> need for the fast amounts of crude we use to fuel the various economies
>> of
>> the world. Gasoline is only a small part of why we need to import crude.
>
> According the DOE, almost half of the crude oil is refined into gasoline,
> hardly "only a small part."
>
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/gas04/gasoline.htm

I should have added that not only is a lot of the crude oil that we import
refined into gasoline, but we also import around 1,000,000 barrels a day of
gasoline:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...RGY-STOCKS.xml.

This is, in part, because of lost capacity post Katrina.

jeff

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4yC1g.9166$i41.2725@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:pSadnXMgH7CpW9vZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> That is a good idea, the only problem is it will not solve the problem.
>> It will reduce the INCREASE in the amount of oil we import but not our
>> need for the fast amounts of crude we use to fuel the various economies
>> of
>> the world. Gasoline is only a small part of why we need to import crude.
>
> According the DOE, almost half of the crude oil is refined into gasoline,
> hardly "only a small part."
>
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/gas04/gasoline.htm

I should have added that not only is a lot of the crude oil that we import
refined into gasoline, but we also import around 1,000,000 barrels a day of
gasoline:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...RGY-STOCKS.xml.

This is, in part, because of lost capacity post Katrina.

jeff

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is
> needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and
> more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were
> warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are
> paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We
> the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that
> word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY
> TO THE BANK!

Let's put some common sense in play:

Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the
ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.

So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population,
check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.

We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well-
site in every field.
We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil
shale.

We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because
it's cheaper than coal scrubbing.
We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed
again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax
breaks, rather than trading pollution credits.
You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all
that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal
burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?

First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the
art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti-
nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.

Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it
was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.

Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE
PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"

It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who
ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby.
- - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE
more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I
am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now...
you aint seen nothing!



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is
> needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and
> more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were
> warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are
> paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We
> the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that
> word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY
> TO THE BANK!

Let's put some common sense in play:

Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the
ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.

So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population,
check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.

We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well-
site in every field.
We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil
shale.

We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because
it's cheaper than coal scrubbing.
We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed
again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax
breaks, rather than trading pollution credits.
You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all
that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal
burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?

First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the
art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti-
nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.

Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it
was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.

Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE
PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"

It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who
ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby.
- - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE
more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I
am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now...
you aint seen nothing!



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is
> needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and
> more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were
> warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are
> paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We
> the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that
> word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY
> TO THE BANK!

Let's put some common sense in play:

Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the
ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.

So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population,
check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.

We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well-
site in every field.
We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil
shale.

We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because
it's cheaper than coal scrubbing.
We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed
again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax
breaks, rather than trading pollution credits.
You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all
that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal
burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?

First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the
art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti-
nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.

Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it
was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.

Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE
PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"

It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who
ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby.
- - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE
more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I
am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now...
you aint seen nothing!



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

I aint picking on YOU, Gerald..
 

It may SEEM that way... but the thing is you state that view, more clearly
and concisely than most, without a lot of other idiocy, like Nomen's,
thrown in.

Thus you seem the target but you're not. The IDEA is the target.



"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oils not the answer.



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

I aint picking on YOU, Gerald..
 

It may SEEM that way... but the thing is you state that view, more clearly
and concisely than most, without a lot of other idiocy, like Nomen's,
thrown in.

Thus you seem the target but you're not. The IDEA is the target.



"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oils not the answer.



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

I aint picking on YOU, Gerald..
 

It may SEEM that way... but the thing is you state that view, more clearly
and concisely than most, without a lot of other idiocy, like Nomen's,
thrown in.

Thus you seem the target but you're not. The IDEA is the target.



"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oils not the answer.



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

In article <Xns97AB527463DD3pettyfogery@207.115.17.102>,
Backyard Mechanic <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:

> "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is
> > needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and
> > more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were
> > warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are
> > paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We
> > the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that
> > word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY
> > TO THE BANK!
>
> Let's put some common sense in play:
>
> Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the
> ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.
>
> So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population,
> check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.
>
> We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well-
> site in every field.
> We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil
> shale.
>
> We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because
> it's cheaper than coal scrubbing.
> We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed
> again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax
> breaks, rather than trading pollution credits.
> You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all
> that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal
> burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?
>
> First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the
> art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti-
> nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.
>
> Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it
> was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.
>
> Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE
> PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"
>
> It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who
> ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby.
> - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
> Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE
> more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I
> am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now...
> you aint seen nothing!

Yep, we lost a lot of time and wasted a lot of fuel listening to those
bark chewers. I doubt we still have the technical expertise to build
nuke power plants. We'd most likely have to ask France to help us.
You're right about the coal, we have much but not using it much, very
sad.

U.S. is in decline, but it didn't have to be. Had we more GWB like
administrations in the past we would still be leading the world in every
area. More Carter like administrations and we'll be a third world
country.
--
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."

-- Vice President Al Gore

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

In article <Xns97AB527463DD3pettyfogery@207.115.17.102>,
Backyard Mechanic <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:

> "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is
> > needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and
> > more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were
> > warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are
> > paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We
> > the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that
> > word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY
> > TO THE BANK!
>
> Let's put some common sense in play:
>
> Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the
> ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.
>
> So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population,
> check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.
>
> We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well-
> site in every field.
> We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil
> shale.
>
> We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because
> it's cheaper than coal scrubbing.
> We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed
> again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax
> breaks, rather than trading pollution credits.
> You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all
> that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal
> burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?
>
> First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the
> art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti-
> nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.
>
> Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it
> was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.
>
> Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE
> PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"
>
> It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who
> ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby.
> - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
> Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE
> more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I
> am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now...
> you aint seen nothing!

Yep, we lost a lot of time and wasted a lot of fuel listening to those
bark chewers. I doubt we still have the technical expertise to build
nuke power plants. We'd most likely have to ask France to help us.
You're right about the coal, we have much but not using it much, very
sad.

U.S. is in decline, but it didn't have to be. Had we more GWB like
administrations in the past we would still be leading the world in every
area. More Carter like administrations and we'll be a third world
country.
--
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."

-- Vice President Al Gore

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

In article <Xns97AB527463DD3pettyfogery@207.115.17.102>,
Backyard Mechanic <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:

> "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is
> > needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and
> > more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were
> > warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are
> > paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We
> > the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that
> > word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY
> > TO THE BANK!
>
> Let's put some common sense in play:
>
> Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the
> ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.
>
> So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population,
> check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.
>
> We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well-
> site in every field.
> We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil
> shale.
>
> We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because
> it's cheaper than coal scrubbing.
> We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed
> again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax
> breaks, rather than trading pollution credits.
> You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all
> that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal
> burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?
>
> First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the
> art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti-
> nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.
>
> Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it
> was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.
>
> Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE
> PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"
>
> It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who
> ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby.
> - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
> Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE
> more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I
> am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now...
> you aint seen nothing!

Yep, we lost a lot of time and wasted a lot of fuel listening to those
bark chewers. I doubt we still have the technical expertise to build
nuke power plants. We'd most likely have to ask France to help us.
You're right about the coal, we have much but not using it much, very
sad.

U.S. is in decline, but it didn't have to be. Had we more GWB like
administrations in the past we would still be leading the world in every
area. More Carter like administrations and we'll be a third world
country.
--
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."

-- Vice President Al Gore

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nomen?
>
> First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
> Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
> U.S.S.R.
> That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
> Russia... She is wonderful...
>
> Gerald

Well, here I go again.

Follow the society-progression threads in Marx, Lenin, Engels.
"Authoritarianism until enlightenment"
Now understand human nature... who is it runs the central planning; who
manages the national companies?
Where did the Russian Mafia come from? Are we to believe it just sprang,
fully-mature, in the eighties and nineties?

Aren't they the same personality/mindsets that we saw at Enron? Why did
Enron happen? Wasnt it enabled by people-elected politicians setting
little loopholes in the tax-codes?
Why would they be any different in overseeing National Socialism (cause
that's what you really advocate)? Politicians are SMARTER THAN YOU
becuase they got YOU to elect them.
Why did Enron come to light? Because of a whistleblower within. What
happens to someone who does that in a central planning society?

That whistle-blower may get another job at another private company...or
with a government agency (well, prolly not the guvmint for obvious
reasons) but what if the government WAS the employer? Where would that
whistleblower earn a living?



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nomen?
>
> First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
> Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
> U.S.S.R.
> That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
> Russia... She is wonderful...
>
> Gerald

Well, here I go again.

Follow the society-progression threads in Marx, Lenin, Engels.
"Authoritarianism until enlightenment"
Now understand human nature... who is it runs the central planning; who
manages the national companies?
Where did the Russian Mafia come from? Are we to believe it just sprang,
fully-mature, in the eighties and nineties?

Aren't they the same personality/mindsets that we saw at Enron? Why did
Enron happen? Wasnt it enabled by people-elected politicians setting
little loopholes in the tax-codes?
Why would they be any different in overseeing National Socialism (cause
that's what you really advocate)? Politicians are SMARTER THAN YOU
becuase they got YOU to elect them.
Why did Enron come to light? Because of a whistleblower within. What
happens to someone who does that in a central planning society?

That whistle-blower may get another job at another private company...or
with a government agency (well, prolly not the guvmint for obvious
reasons) but what if the government WAS the employer? Where would that
whistleblower earn a living?



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!