Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nomen?
>
> First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
> Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
> U.S.S.R.
> That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
> Russia... She is wonderful...
>
> Gerald

Well, here I go again.

Follow the society-progression threads in Marx, Lenin, Engels.
"Authoritarianism until enlightenment"
Now understand human nature... who is it runs the central planning; who
manages the national companies?
Where did the Russian Mafia come from? Are we to believe it just sprang,
fully-mature, in the eighties and nineties?

Aren't they the same personality/mindsets that we saw at Enron? Why did
Enron happen? Wasnt it enabled by people-elected politicians setting
little loopholes in the tax-codes?
Why would they be any different in overseeing National Socialism (cause
that's what you really advocate)? Politicians are SMARTER THAN YOU
becuase they got YOU to elect them.
Why did Enron come to light? Because of a whistleblower within. What
happens to someone who does that in a central planning society?

That whistle-blower may get another job at another private company...or
with a government agency (well, prolly not the guvmint for obvious
reasons) but what if the government WAS the employer? Where would that
whistleblower earn a living?



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

Go for it. That will keep you too busy to troll.

Mike

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

Go for it. That will keep you too busy to troll.

Mike

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

Go for it. That will keep you too busy to troll.

Mike

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

It's time to re-watch the old "Mad Max" films. The world economy is about to
change quickly and citizens of the USA and UK will pay a dear price when it
does. The faithless, liberal, peer-reviewed climate scientists postulate
that a dramatic climactic calamity associated with global warming might be
the cessation of the Gulf stream. 60 million English people will cool off
fast after that. The Gulf of Mexico will heat up nicely and spawn massive
hurricanes which disrupt exploration, production and refining of oil in the
most productive areas of the USA. The huge mal-investment we have made in
F350 duallys, et.al., is becoming worthless and someone is going to make a
fortune converting surface streets into bike paths. We Americans are apt to
be as destitute as Russian and Chinese peasants were in the 1950's. So,
foreign companies will build the 750cc, 3 cylinder go-carts that wealthy
Americans drive to their jobs at Wal-Mart (America's premier source for
Chinese made goods) and the rest of us will commute to our jobs at the salt
mines on our bicycles. Natural disasters are bad but the Government's
looting of our paltry savings will be worse. Remember inflation (and
stag-flation)? The roller coaster is about to leave the station and it will
be a wild ride. People and organizations that are highly leveraged are about
to go bankrupt. The rest of us will see our savings become worthless (think
Germany in the 1920's). It will really be bad when some disturbed politician
or military commander (think Gen. Jack D. Ripper) decides it is appropriate
to blackmail the Arabians or the Chinese with nuclear weapons. That could
get ugly. So, stock up on gasoline, propane for the grill, MRE's, water, m16
a2's for all the family members, warm clothes, lots of solar cells and
batteries, seeds, hoes, horses, chickens, pigs and bicycles. Don't let your
neighbors know your plan. We are apt to be recovering continuously from a
hurricane, a pandemic, a stock market collapse, a riot of the unemployed, a
cessation of electric service or an attack from foreign or domestic
insurgents. All who now hold government jobs will be unemployed. All the big
suburban McMansions will become rooming houses or funeral homes. My advice:
buy gold and move to Argentina (or Brazil if you find Portuguese as musical
as I do).

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

It's time to re-watch the old "Mad Max" films. The world economy is about to
change quickly and citizens of the USA and UK will pay a dear price when it
does. The faithless, liberal, peer-reviewed climate scientists postulate
that a dramatic climactic calamity associated with global warming might be
the cessation of the Gulf stream. 60 million English people will cool off
fast after that. The Gulf of Mexico will heat up nicely and spawn massive
hurricanes which disrupt exploration, production and refining of oil in the
most productive areas of the USA. The huge mal-investment we have made in
F350 duallys, et.al., is becoming worthless and someone is going to make a
fortune converting surface streets into bike paths. We Americans are apt to
be as destitute as Russian and Chinese peasants were in the 1950's. So,
foreign companies will build the 750cc, 3 cylinder go-carts that wealthy
Americans drive to their jobs at Wal-Mart (America's premier source for
Chinese made goods) and the rest of us will commute to our jobs at the salt
mines on our bicycles. Natural disasters are bad but the Government's
looting of our paltry savings will be worse. Remember inflation (and
stag-flation)? The roller coaster is about to leave the station and it will
be a wild ride. People and organizations that are highly leveraged are about
to go bankrupt. The rest of us will see our savings become worthless (think
Germany in the 1920's). It will really be bad when some disturbed politician
or military commander (think Gen. Jack D. Ripper) decides it is appropriate
to blackmail the Arabians or the Chinese with nuclear weapons. That could
get ugly. So, stock up on gasoline, propane for the grill, MRE's, water, m16
a2's for all the family members, warm clothes, lots of solar cells and
batteries, seeds, hoes, horses, chickens, pigs and bicycles. Don't let your
neighbors know your plan. We are apt to be recovering continuously from a
hurricane, a pandemic, a stock market collapse, a riot of the unemployed, a
cessation of electric service or an attack from foreign or domestic
insurgents. All who now hold government jobs will be unemployed. All the big
suburban McMansions will become rooming houses or funeral homes. My advice:
buy gold and move to Argentina (or Brazil if you find Portuguese as musical
as I do).

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

It's time to re-watch the old "Mad Max" films. The world economy is about to
change quickly and citizens of the USA and UK will pay a dear price when it
does. The faithless, liberal, peer-reviewed climate scientists postulate
that a dramatic climactic calamity associated with global warming might be
the cessation of the Gulf stream. 60 million English people will cool off
fast after that. The Gulf of Mexico will heat up nicely and spawn massive
hurricanes which disrupt exploration, production and refining of oil in the
most productive areas of the USA. The huge mal-investment we have made in
F350 duallys, et.al., is becoming worthless and someone is going to make a
fortune converting surface streets into bike paths. We Americans are apt to
be as destitute as Russian and Chinese peasants were in the 1950's. So,
foreign companies will build the 750cc, 3 cylinder go-carts that wealthy
Americans drive to their jobs at Wal-Mart (America's premier source for
Chinese made goods) and the rest of us will commute to our jobs at the salt
mines on our bicycles. Natural disasters are bad but the Government's
looting of our paltry savings will be worse. Remember inflation (and
stag-flation)? The roller coaster is about to leave the station and it will
be a wild ride. People and organizations that are highly leveraged are about
to go bankrupt. The rest of us will see our savings become worthless (think
Germany in the 1920's). It will really be bad when some disturbed politician
or military commander (think Gen. Jack D. Ripper) decides it is appropriate
to blackmail the Arabians or the Chinese with nuclear weapons. That could
get ugly. So, stock up on gasoline, propane for the grill, MRE's, water, m16
a2's for all the family members, warm clothes, lots of solar cells and
batteries, seeds, hoes, horses, chickens, pigs and bicycles. Don't let your
neighbors know your plan. We are apt to be recovering continuously from a
hurricane, a pandemic, a stock market collapse, a riot of the unemployed, a
cessation of electric service or an attack from foreign or domestic
insurgents. All who now hold government jobs will be unemployed. All the big
suburban McMansions will become rooming houses or funeral homes. My advice:
buy gold and move to Argentina (or Brazil if you find Portuguese as musical
as I do).

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145503224.230606.116190@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Nomen?
>
> First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
> Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
> U.S.S.R.
> That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
> Russia... She is wonderful...

Indeed, Russia was an oligarchy if not a dictatorship. Even so, the people
probably lived better and progressed faster than had the monarchy system
of the czars persisted.

The 'people' used to own the train system and underground in the United
Kingdom
as well. The transportation was good, and affordable. Ditto the health
care system.

After privatization, it all went to hell in a handbasket.

Private industry under capitalism does some things very well,and other
things
abominally. (That is probably why the founding fathers preserved the US
Postal
Service as a government function, rather than opening it up to entrepreneurs
as
a business.)

But, friends, this fuel problem isn't going to go away. You can put your
head in
the sand if you wish, but when you pull it out, the problem will still be
here, and
worse.

We need real answers, not a temporary source of cheap gasoline.

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145503224.230606.116190@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Nomen?
>
> First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
> Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
> U.S.S.R.
> That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
> Russia... She is wonderful...

Indeed, Russia was an oligarchy if not a dictatorship. Even so, the people
probably lived better and progressed faster than had the monarchy system
of the czars persisted.

The 'people' used to own the train system and underground in the United
Kingdom
as well. The transportation was good, and affordable. Ditto the health
care system.

After privatization, it all went to hell in a handbasket.

Private industry under capitalism does some things very well,and other
things
abominally. (That is probably why the founding fathers preserved the US
Postal
Service as a government function, rather than opening it up to entrepreneurs
as
a business.)

But, friends, this fuel problem isn't going to go away. You can put your
head in
the sand if you wish, but when you pull it out, the problem will still be
here, and
worse.

We need real answers, not a temporary source of cheap gasoline.

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145503224.230606.116190@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Nomen?
>
> First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
> Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
> U.S.S.R.
> That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
> Russia... She is wonderful...

Indeed, Russia was an oligarchy if not a dictatorship. Even so, the people
probably lived better and progressed faster than had the monarchy system
of the czars persisted.

The 'people' used to own the train system and underground in the United
Kingdom
as well. The transportation was good, and affordable. Ditto the health
care system.

After privatization, it all went to hell in a handbasket.

Private industry under capitalism does some things very well,and other
things
abominally. (That is probably why the founding fathers preserved the US
Postal
Service as a government function, rather than opening it up to entrepreneurs
as
a business.)

But, friends, this fuel problem isn't going to go away. You can put your
head in
the sand if you wish, but when you pull it out, the problem will still be
here, and
worse.

We need real answers, not a temporary source of cheap gasoline.

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145504441.001109.83470@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> Did you really say 100 million? 100 million is only 1/5 of what that
> Exxon Mobil guy will take home as a pension.

Well, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now has a price tag of $10
billion per month. Makes that $100 million look like a tip jar on a bar.

Penny ante lip service.

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145504441.001109.83470@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> Did you really say 100 million? 100 million is only 1/5 of what that
> Exxon Mobil guy will take home as a pension.

Well, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now has a price tag of $10
billion per month. Makes that $100 million look like a tip jar on a bar.

Penny ante lip service.

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145504441.001109.83470@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> Did you really say 100 million? 100 million is only 1/5 of what that
> Exxon Mobil guy will take home as a pension.

Well, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now has a price tag of $10
billion per month. Makes that $100 million look like a tip jar on a bar.

Penny ante lip service.

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

>
> "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1145504441.001109.83470@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
>> Did you really say 100 million? 100 million is only 1/5 of what that
>> Exxon Mobil guy will take home as a pension.
>
> Well, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now has a price tag of $10
> billion per month. Makes that $100 million look like a tip jar on a
bar.
>
> Penny ante lip service.

Look... I'll give you ostriches a little hint.

Denmark, Norway, France and Germany aint fighting in Iraq. Check out
deeply into some of their news items.
There's far more at stake here than the price of oil.

Now if we're gonna talk about energy, let's do that and leave out the
Bush Derangement Syndrome comments....and I'll nail Dubya and his brother
for what they arent doing on the issue.
On the other hand, if you want to pretend that there's some Trilateral
Commission crap going on, then you deserve what you get from it.

--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
 

<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:

>
> "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1145504441.001109.83470@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
>> Did you really say 100 million? 100 million is only 1/5 of what that
>> Exxon Mobil guy will take home as a pension.
>
> Well, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now has a price tag of $10
> billion per month. Makes that $100 million look like a tip jar on a
bar.
>
> Penny ante lip service.

Look... I'll give you ostriches a little hint.

Denmark, Norway, France and Germany aint fighting in Iraq. Check out
deeply into some of their news items.
There's far more at stake here than the price of oil.

Now if we're gonna talk about energy, let's do that and leave out the
Bush Derangement Syndrome comments....and I'll nail Dubya and his brother
for what they arent doing on the issue.
On the other hand, if you want to pretend that there's some Trilateral
Commission crap going on, then you deserve what you get from it.

--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!