We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
#242
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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
That is not true they already 'crack' to make as much gasoline as they can.
If the demand was cut in half and lowers the price why would the even want
to make more gasoline when the greater profit is in the carbon base? The
idea has always been to get rid of the higher distillates to get to the
money makers.
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> They would make less gasoline and more "other stuff".
>
> The ratio of gas to "other stuff" is not fixed. It's flexible
> depending on demand.
>
If the demand was cut in half and lowers the price why would the even want
to make more gasoline when the greater profit is in the carbon base? The
idea has always been to get rid of the higher distillates to get to the
money makers.
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145643704.239182.132860@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> They would make less gasoline and more "other stuff".
>
> The ratio of gas to "other stuff" is not fixed. It's flexible
> depending on demand.
>
#243
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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
That is not true they already 'crack' to make as much gasoline as they can.
If the demand was cut in half and lowers the price why would the even want
to make more gasoline when the greater profit is in the carbon base? The
idea has always been to get rid of the higher distillates to get to the
money makers.
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145643704.239182.132860@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> They would make less gasoline and more "other stuff".
>
> The ratio of gas to "other stuff" is not fixed. It's flexible
> depending on demand.
>
If the demand was cut in half and lowers the price why would the even want
to make more gasoline when the greater profit is in the carbon base? The
idea has always been to get rid of the higher distillates to get to the
money makers.
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145643704.239182.132860@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> They would make less gasoline and more "other stuff".
>
> The ratio of gas to "other stuff" is not fixed. It's flexible
> depending on demand.
>
#244
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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
That is not true they already 'crack' to make as much gasoline as they can.
If the demand was cut in half and lowers the price why would the even want
to make more gasoline when the greater profit is in the carbon base? The
idea has always been to get rid of the higher distillates to get to the
money makers.
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145643704.239182.132860@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> They would make less gasoline and more "other stuff".
>
> The ratio of gas to "other stuff" is not fixed. It's flexible
> depending on demand.
>
If the demand was cut in half and lowers the price why would the even want
to make more gasoline when the greater profit is in the carbon base? The
idea has always been to get rid of the higher distillates to get to the
money makers.
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145643704.239182.132860@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> They would make less gasoline and more "other stuff".
>
> The ratio of gas to "other stuff" is not fixed. It's flexible
> depending on demand.
>
#245
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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
According to your calculations, I guess it is.
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Oil is $75 a barrel. A barrel is 42 gallons. So that's about $2 per
> gallon for raw oil. And it takes 4 gallons to make a gallon of
> gasoline.
>
> So gas is $8 a gallon?
>
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Oil is $75 a barrel. A barrel is 42 gallons. So that's about $2 per
> gallon for raw oil. And it takes 4 gallons to make a gallon of
> gasoline.
>
> So gas is $8 a gallon?
>
#246
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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
According to your calculations, I guess it is.
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145643457.543152.225580@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Oil is $75 a barrel. A barrel is 42 gallons. So that's about $2 per
> gallon for raw oil. And it takes 4 gallons to make a gallon of
> gasoline.
>
> So gas is $8 a gallon?
>
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145643457.543152.225580@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Oil is $75 a barrel. A barrel is 42 gallons. So that's about $2 per
> gallon for raw oil. And it takes 4 gallons to make a gallon of
> gasoline.
>
> So gas is $8 a gallon?
>
#247
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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
According to your calculations, I guess it is.
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145643457.543152.225580@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Oil is $75 a barrel. A barrel is 42 gallons. So that's about $2 per
> gallon for raw oil. And it takes 4 gallons to make a gallon of
> gasoline.
>
> So gas is $8 a gallon?
>
mike hunt
"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145643457.543152.225580@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Oil is $75 a barrel. A barrel is 42 gallons. So that's about $2 per
> gallon for raw oil. And it takes 4 gallons to make a gallon of
> gasoline.
>
> So gas is $8 a gallon?
>
#248
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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
Most plants have complexity ratings. They can vary what they get out.
The greater profit isn't necessarily in teh carbon base. So if the
price of gas were cut they'd simply make less of it. They wouldn't
"burn it off". You just can't be that stupid.
The greater profit isn't necessarily in teh carbon base. So if the
price of gas were cut they'd simply make less of it. They wouldn't
"burn it off". You just can't be that stupid.
#249
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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
Most plants have complexity ratings. They can vary what they get out.
The greater profit isn't necessarily in teh carbon base. So if the
price of gas were cut they'd simply make less of it. They wouldn't
"burn it off". You just can't be that stupid.
The greater profit isn't necessarily in teh carbon base. So if the
price of gas were cut they'd simply make less of it. They wouldn't
"burn it off". You just can't be that stupid.
#250
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Re: We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant
Most plants have complexity ratings. They can vary what they get out.
The greater profit isn't necessarily in teh carbon base. So if the
price of gas were cut they'd simply make less of it. They wouldn't
"burn it off". You just can't be that stupid.
The greater profit isn't necessarily in teh carbon base. So if the
price of gas were cut they'd simply make less of it. They wouldn't
"burn it off". You just can't be that stupid.
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Re: The are Buildlng a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant in PA
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:09 -0500, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
>news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
>process
>> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
>fuels
>> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
>> >
>> >mike hunt
>>
>> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
>> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
>> other high cost solutions.
>>
>> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
>> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
>> higher taxes.
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
>
>What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
>even cover the cost of the highway system.
>
>If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
>system and at least half of our military budget.
Good point.
The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
road maintenance.
>"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
>news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
>process
>> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
>fuels
>> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
>> >
>> >mike hunt
>>
>> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
>> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
>> other high cost solutions.
>>
>> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
>> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
>> higher taxes.
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
>
>What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
>even cover the cost of the highway system.
>
>If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
>system and at least half of our military budget.
Good point.
The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
road maintenance.
#252
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Re: The are Buildlng a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant in PA
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:09 -0500, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
>news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
>process
>> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
>fuels
>> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
>> >
>> >mike hunt
>>
>> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
>> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
>> other high cost solutions.
>>
>> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
>> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
>> higher taxes.
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
>
>What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
>even cover the cost of the highway system.
>
>If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
>system and at least half of our military budget.
Good point.
The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
road maintenance.
>"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
>news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
>process
>> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
>fuels
>> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
>> >
>> >mike hunt
>>
>> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
>> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
>> other high cost solutions.
>>
>> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
>> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
>> higher taxes.
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
>
>What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
>even cover the cost of the highway system.
>
>If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
>system and at least half of our military budget.
Good point.
The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
road maintenance.
#253
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Re: The are Buildlng a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant in PA
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:09 -0500, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
>news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
>process
>> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
>fuels
>> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
>> >
>> >mike hunt
>>
>> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
>> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
>> other high cost solutions.
>>
>> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
>> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
>> higher taxes.
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
>
>What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
>even cover the cost of the highway system.
>
>If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
>system and at least half of our military budget.
Good point.
The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
road maintenance.
>"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
>news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
>process
>> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
>fuels
>> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
>> >
>> >mike hunt
>>
>> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
>> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
>> other high cost solutions.
>>
>> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
>> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
>> higher taxes.
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
>
>What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
>even cover the cost of the highway system.
>
>If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
>system and at least half of our military budget.
Good point.
The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
road maintenance.
#254
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Re: The are Buildlng a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant in PA
In article <moci42lra55nf3tvkls793obmkj42b6ccr@4ax.com>,
Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:09 -0500, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>
> >"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
> >news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> >> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
> >process
> >> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
> >fuels
> >> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
> >> >
> >> >mike hunt
> >>
> >> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
> >> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
> >> other high cost solutions.
> >>
> >> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
> >> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
> >> higher taxes.
> >>
> >> later,
> >>
> >> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
> >
> >What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
> >even cover the cost of the highway system.
> >
> >If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
> >system and at least half of our military budget.
>
> Good point.
>
> The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
> tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
> road maintenance.
It's coming. There will be a tax on energy conserving vehicles.
We cannot allow the dissipation of fuel tax money due to better fuel
economy vehicles, therefore we must tax them more.
--
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."
-- Vice President Al Gore
Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:09 -0500, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>
> >"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
> >news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> >> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
> >process
> >> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
> >fuels
> >> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
> >> >
> >> >mike hunt
> >>
> >> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
> >> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
> >> other high cost solutions.
> >>
> >> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
> >> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
> >> higher taxes.
> >>
> >> later,
> >>
> >> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
> >
> >What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
> >even cover the cost of the highway system.
> >
> >If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
> >system and at least half of our military budget.
>
> Good point.
>
> The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
> tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
> road maintenance.
It's coming. There will be a tax on energy conserving vehicles.
We cannot allow the dissipation of fuel tax money due to better fuel
economy vehicles, therefore we must tax them more.
--
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."
-- Vice President Al Gore
#255
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Re: The are Buildlng a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant in PA
In article <moci42lra55nf3tvkls793obmkj42b6ccr@4ax.com>,
Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:09 -0500, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>
> >"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
> >news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> >> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
> >process
> >> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
> >fuels
> >> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
> >> >
> >> >mike hunt
> >>
> >> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
> >> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
> >> other high cost solutions.
> >>
> >> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
> >> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
> >> higher taxes.
> >>
> >> later,
> >>
> >> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
> >
> >What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
> >even cover the cost of the highway system.
> >
> >If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
> >system and at least half of our military budget.
>
> Good point.
>
> The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
> tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
> road maintenance.
It's coming. There will be a tax on energy conserving vehicles.
We cannot allow the dissipation of fuel tax money due to better fuel
economy vehicles, therefore we must tax them more.
--
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."
-- Vice President Al Gore
Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:09 -0500, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>
> >"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
> >news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> >> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
> >process
> >> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative
> >fuels
> >> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.
> >> >
> >> >mike hunt
> >>
> >> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
> >> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
> >> other high cost solutions.
> >>
> >> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
> >> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
> >> higher taxes.
> >>
> >> later,
> >>
> >> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
> >
> >What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
> >even cover the cost of the highway system.
> >
> >If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
> >system and at least half of our military budget.
>
> Good point.
>
> The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
> tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
> road maintenance.
It's coming. There will be a tax on energy conserving vehicles.
We cannot allow the dissipation of fuel tax money due to better fuel
economy vehicles, therefore we must tax them more.
--
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."
-- Vice President Al Gore