Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

In article <JnbAg.208187$mF2.71992@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote:

> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
> >
> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
> >>
> >> 1) Toyota
> >> 2) Honda
> >> 3) Hyundai
> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
> >
> >
> >
> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
> >
> Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
> crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.
>
> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>
> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
> the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
> age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
> well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
> or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
> a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.


Their first big step is unloading all the union contracts. They are
watching Northwest do in their unions. GM will follow. Cut overhead
first.




>
> I find myself wanting a Toyota Yaris liftback. I find myself needing
> something with better mileage for daily driving (I need to keep the truck
> for hauling for my side business). Once I again, the American Automakers are
> asleep at the wheel. They don't produce anything that compares to the
> Yaris/Fit/Scion. Yes GM has the Aveo, but what's with the crappy fuel
> mileage? I looked at the Focus, but the design looks tired and boring after
> nearly 7 years.
>
> Next there's the Ranger compact truck. A decent, reliable vehicle that
> actually has some Japanese hardware in it, but Ford won't redesign years
> after it should have been and the "middle" engine is the anemic 3.0L V6 that
> gets SUV like gas milege and has less HP than many 4 bangers (like GMs new
> model). The 4L V6 is better after they gave it some more power a few years
> ago, but the full size truck mileage mumbers stink.
>
> Next there's GM that dumps the compact truck and intruduces a redesigned
> "midsized" pickup in the midst of higher gas prices. Fuel economy could be a
> bit better and it still gets the solid black dot treatment with CRs
> reliability score - just like the crappy S10 it replaced.
>
> Pontiac. Lets build cars that all the models look the same! Let's make the
> GTO a family appeal car. RIP new GTO. Sheesh.
>
> Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the marketplace
> and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
> John
--

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

In article <JnbAg.208187$mF2.71992@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote:

> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
> >
> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
> >>
> >> 1) Toyota
> >> 2) Honda
> >> 3) Hyundai
> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
> >
> >
> >
> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
> >
> Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
> crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.
>
> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>
> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
> the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
> age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
> well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
> or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
> a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.


Their first big step is unloading all the union contracts. They are
watching Northwest do in their unions. GM will follow. Cut overhead
first.




>
> I find myself wanting a Toyota Yaris liftback. I find myself needing
> something with better mileage for daily driving (I need to keep the truck
> for hauling for my side business). Once I again, the American Automakers are
> asleep at the wheel. They don't produce anything that compares to the
> Yaris/Fit/Scion. Yes GM has the Aveo, but what's with the crappy fuel
> mileage? I looked at the Focus, but the design looks tired and boring after
> nearly 7 years.
>
> Next there's the Ranger compact truck. A decent, reliable vehicle that
> actually has some Japanese hardware in it, but Ford won't redesign years
> after it should have been and the "middle" engine is the anemic 3.0L V6 that
> gets SUV like gas milege and has less HP than many 4 bangers (like GMs new
> model). The 4L V6 is better after they gave it some more power a few years
> ago, but the full size truck mileage mumbers stink.
>
> Next there's GM that dumps the compact truck and intruduces a redesigned
> "midsized" pickup in the midst of higher gas prices. Fuel economy could be a
> bit better and it still gets the solid black dot treatment with CRs
> reliability score - just like the crappy S10 it replaced.
>
> Pontiac. Lets build cars that all the models look the same! Let's make the
> GTO a family appeal car. RIP new GTO. Sheesh.
>
> Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the marketplace
> and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
> John
--

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

In article <JnbAg.208187$mF2.71992@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote:

> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
> >
> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
> >>
> >> 1) Toyota
> >> 2) Honda
> >> 3) Hyundai
> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
> >
> >
> >
> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
> >
> Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
> crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.
>
> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>
> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
> the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
> age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
> well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
> or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
> a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.


Their first big step is unloading all the union contracts. They are
watching Northwest do in their unions. GM will follow. Cut overhead
first.




>
> I find myself wanting a Toyota Yaris liftback. I find myself needing
> something with better mileage for daily driving (I need to keep the truck
> for hauling for my side business). Once I again, the American Automakers are
> asleep at the wheel. They don't produce anything that compares to the
> Yaris/Fit/Scion. Yes GM has the Aveo, but what's with the crappy fuel
> mileage? I looked at the Focus, but the design looks tired and boring after
> nearly 7 years.
>
> Next there's the Ranger compact truck. A decent, reliable vehicle that
> actually has some Japanese hardware in it, but Ford won't redesign years
> after it should have been and the "middle" engine is the anemic 3.0L V6 that
> gets SUV like gas milege and has less HP than many 4 bangers (like GMs new
> model). The 4L V6 is better after they gave it some more power a few years
> ago, but the full size truck mileage mumbers stink.
>
> Next there's GM that dumps the compact truck and intruduces a redesigned
> "midsized" pickup in the midst of higher gas prices. Fuel economy could be a
> bit better and it still gets the solid black dot treatment with CRs
> reliability score - just like the crappy S10 it replaced.
>
> Pontiac. Lets build cars that all the models look the same! Let's make the
> GTO a family appeal car. RIP new GTO. Sheesh.
>
> Overall, their problem is they are too slow in responding to the marketplace
> and seem to clueless in designing cars with appeal.
> John
--

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:18:00 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
wrote:

>In article <JnbAg.208187$mF2.71992@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote:
>
>> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>> >
>> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Toyota
>> >> 2) Honda
>> >> 3) Hyundai
>> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
>> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>> >
>> Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
>> crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.
>>
>> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>>
>> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
>> the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
>> age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
>> well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
>> or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
>> a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.
>
>
>Their first big step is unloading all the union contracts. They are
>watching Northwest do in their unions. GM will follow. Cut overhead
>first.
>
>

If you want to level the playing field, then let's have national
health coverage like all the other industrialized countries. Get it
off the back of the corporations. Why should GM have to pay for it
while Honda doesn't?

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:18:00 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
wrote:

>In article <JnbAg.208187$mF2.71992@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote:
>
>> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>> >
>> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Toyota
>> >> 2) Honda
>> >> 3) Hyundai
>> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
>> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>> >
>> Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
>> crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.
>>
>> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>>
>> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
>> the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
>> age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
>> well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
>> or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
>> a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.
>
>
>Their first big step is unloading all the union contracts. They are
>watching Northwest do in their unions. GM will follow. Cut overhead
>first.
>
>

If you want to level the playing field, then let's have national
health coverage like all the other industrialized countries. Get it
off the back of the corporations. Why should GM have to pay for it
while Honda doesn't?

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:18:00 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
wrote:

>In article <JnbAg.208187$mF2.71992@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote:
>
>> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>> >
>> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Toyota
>> >> 2) Honda
>> >> 3) Hyundai
>> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a piece
>> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>> >
>> Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
>> crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.
>>
>> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>>
>> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people. All
>> the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as they
>> age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
>> well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota, Honda
>> or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor trend is
>> a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.
>
>
>Their first big step is unloading all the union contracts. They are
>watching Northwest do in their unions. GM will follow. Cut overhead
>first.
>
>

If you want to level the playing field, then let's have national
health coverage like all the other industrialized countries. Get it
off the back of the corporations. Why should GM have to pay for it
while Honda doesn't?

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

> JohnR66 wrote:
> > Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
> > IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.
> I agree with you, but there is not a single gotta-have vehicle for the
> under 21 year old trendsetter in the current GM or Ford lineups. Not a
> single one. Two years ago the Hummer was on such a list, but high fuel
> prices have put that one to bed.
> Even the Corvette and Mustang are really cars for middle age guys who
> want another trip down memory lane.

John
I was wondering what you think GM and Ford should be putting in their
cars or doing to them to give them more of a youth's appeal. You
looking for more sportier with wings and ground effects? i'm not
trying to bash you, i am asking because i am an engineering student
whom is trying to pursue a career in the automotive industry and i
would like to hear yours and anyone elses opinions on what you think
the American car manufacturers need to do with their cars to make them
more suitable for the public so that they can stay in the top 3. all
opinion are greatly appreciated, thanks.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

> JohnR66 wrote:
> > Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
> > IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.
> I agree with you, but there is not a single gotta-have vehicle for the
> under 21 year old trendsetter in the current GM or Ford lineups. Not a
> single one. Two years ago the Hummer was on such a list, but high fuel
> prices have put that one to bed.
> Even the Corvette and Mustang are really cars for middle age guys who
> want another trip down memory lane.

John
I was wondering what you think GM and Ford should be putting in their
cars or doing to them to give them more of a youth's appeal. You
looking for more sportier with wings and ground effects? i'm not
trying to bash you, i am asking because i am an engineering student
whom is trying to pursue a career in the automotive industry and i
would like to hear yours and anyone elses opinions on what you think
the American car manufacturers need to do with their cars to make them
more suitable for the public so that they can stay in the top 3. all
opinion are greatly appreciated, thanks.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

> JohnR66 wrote:
> > Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
> > IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.
> I agree with you, but there is not a single gotta-have vehicle for the
> under 21 year old trendsetter in the current GM or Ford lineups. Not a
> single one. Two years ago the Hummer was on such a list, but high fuel
> prices have put that one to bed.
> Even the Corvette and Mustang are really cars for middle age guys who
> want another trip down memory lane.

John
I was wondering what you think GM and Ford should be putting in their
cars or doing to them to give them more of a youth's appeal. You
looking for more sportier with wings and ground effects? i'm not
trying to bash you, i am asking because i am an engineering student
whom is trying to pursue a career in the automotive industry and i
would like to hear yours and anyone elses opinions on what you think
the American car manufacturers need to do with their cars to make them
more suitable for the public so that they can stay in the top 3. all
opinion are greatly appreciated, thanks.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7BdAg.7811$oz.4764@trnddc07...
> Hachiroku wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>
>>>1) Toyota
>>>2) Honda
>>>3) Hyundai
>>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>
>>
>>
>> Make that:
>> 1) Toyota-GM
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Ford
>>
>
> An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
> with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a long
> history of being an independent company in mind and action. Nissan, on the
> other hand, started out as a company which was always in bed with at least
> one foreign company and continues that pattern today.
>
> I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much higher
> probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.
>
> John

GM/Toyota have been manufacturing cars for a LONG time as NUMMI, mostly in
California.
They gave us some of the worst Toyotas ever, namely the Nova (~85-87) and
the Prizm.
They are currently manufacturing Tacomas. All the ground work is there,
just time for the
proposal and the acceptance.

As for what Toy would get out of it? Definitely the #1 spot in the world!
And, hopefully, GM would pick up Toyota's Quality habits, and NOT vice
versa!!!!
(That would be my bigger concern! "We can show YOU how to make more cars
more cheaply."
NOT a good idea!!!)

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7BdAg.7811$oz.4764@trnddc07...
> Hachiroku wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>
>>>1) Toyota
>>>2) Honda
>>>3) Hyundai
>>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>
>>
>>
>> Make that:
>> 1) Toyota-GM
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Ford
>>
>
> An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
> with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a long
> history of being an independent company in mind and action. Nissan, on the
> other hand, started out as a company which was always in bed with at least
> one foreign company and continues that pattern today.
>
> I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much higher
> probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.
>
> John

GM/Toyota have been manufacturing cars for a LONG time as NUMMI, mostly in
California.
They gave us some of the worst Toyotas ever, namely the Nova (~85-87) and
the Prizm.
They are currently manufacturing Tacomas. All the ground work is there,
just time for the
proposal and the acceptance.

As for what Toy would get out of it? Definitely the #1 spot in the world!
And, hopefully, GM would pick up Toyota's Quality habits, and NOT vice
versa!!!!
(That would be my bigger concern! "We can show YOU how to make more cars
more cheaply."
NOT a good idea!!!)

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7BdAg.7811$oz.4764@trnddc07...
> Hachiroku wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>
>>>1) Toyota
>>>2) Honda
>>>3) Hyundai
>>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>
>>
>>
>> Make that:
>> 1) Toyota-GM
>> 2) Honda
>> 3) Ford
>>
>
> An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
> with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a long
> history of being an independent company in mind and action. Nissan, on the
> other hand, started out as a company which was always in bed with at least
> one foreign company and continues that pattern today.
>
> I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much higher
> probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.
>
> John

GM/Toyota have been manufacturing cars for a LONG time as NUMMI, mostly in
California.
They gave us some of the worst Toyotas ever, namely the Nova (~85-87) and
the Prizm.
They are currently manufacturing Tacomas. All the ground work is there,
just time for the
proposal and the acceptance.

As for what Toy would get out of it? Definitely the #1 spot in the world!
And, hopefully, GM would pick up Toyota's Quality habits, and NOT vice
versa!!!!
(That would be my bigger concern! "We can show YOU how to make more cars
more cheaply."
NOT a good idea!!!)

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:2DmAg.3059$sy2.2356@trndny01...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7BdAg.7811$oz.4764@trnddc07...
>> Hachiroku wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>>
>>>>1) Toyota
>>>>2) Honda
>>>>3) Hyundai
>>>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Make that:
>>> 1) Toyota-GM
>>> 2) Honda
>>> 3) Ford
>>>
>>
>> An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
>> with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a
>> long history of being an independent company in mind and action. Nissan,
>> on the other hand, started out as a company which was always in bed with
>> at least one foreign company and continues that pattern today.
>>
>> I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much higher
>> probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.
>>
>> John
>
> GM/Toyota have been manufacturing cars for a LONG time as NUMMI, mostly in
> California.
> They gave us some of the worst Toyotas ever, namely the Nova (~85-87) and
> the Prizm.


What's so bad about the Prizm? Or are you talking about some prizms made
before 93 that I don't know about. I love my 95' and it seems that most of
the reviews I've read on it are good as well. It's at 140K and still seems
to run stong. Granted I've had to replace the interior door handles, but
those are no biggie.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:2DmAg.3059$sy2.2356@trndny01...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7BdAg.7811$oz.4764@trnddc07...
>> Hachiroku wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>>
>>>>1) Toyota
>>>>2) Honda
>>>>3) Hyundai
>>>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Make that:
>>> 1) Toyota-GM
>>> 2) Honda
>>> 3) Ford
>>>
>>
>> An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
>> with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a
>> long history of being an independent company in mind and action. Nissan,
>> on the other hand, started out as a company which was always in bed with
>> at least one foreign company and continues that pattern today.
>>
>> I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much higher
>> probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.
>>
>> John
>
> GM/Toyota have been manufacturing cars for a LONG time as NUMMI, mostly in
> California.
> They gave us some of the worst Toyotas ever, namely the Nova (~85-87) and
> the Prizm.


What's so bad about the Prizm? Or are you talking about some prizms made
before 93 that I don't know about. I love my 95' and it seems that most of
the reviews I've read on it are good as well. It's at 140K and still seems
to run stong. Granted I've had to replace the interior door handles, but
those are no biggie.

Re: Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?
 

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:2DmAg.3059$sy2.2356@trndny01...
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7BdAg.7811$oz.4764@trnddc07...
>> Hachiroku wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>>
>>>>1) Toyota
>>>>2) Honda
>>>>3) Hyundai
>>>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Make that:
>>> 1) Toyota-GM
>>> 2) Honda
>>> 3) Ford
>>>
>>
>> An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
>> with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a
>> long history of being an independent company in mind and action. Nissan,
>> on the other hand, started out as a company which was always in bed with
>> at least one foreign company and continues that pattern today.
>>
>> I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much higher
>> probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.
>>
>> John
>
> GM/Toyota have been manufacturing cars for a LONG time as NUMMI, mostly in
> California.
> They gave us some of the worst Toyotas ever, namely the Nova (~85-87) and
> the Prizm.


What's so bad about the Prizm? Or are you talking about some prizms made
before 93 that I don't know about. I love my 95' and it seems that most of
the reviews I've read on it are good as well. It's at 140K and still seems
to run stong. Granted I've had to replace the interior door handles, but
those are no biggie.